The PH exit poll

[trashbat]

Well, I voted Green It's a waste of everyone's time, including my own - the candidate lives in fking Wanstead - but what else am I supposed to do?

I live in a rural, moneyied constituency that will vote Tory regardless, Labour have failed to offer anything meaningful although ultimately I faintly hope they win, and the only pleasure I'll apparently gain from this election is watching the Lib Dems get annihilated for their betrayal of the electorate.

At least, unlike voting Labour, I get to file my pointless protest vote under something that is at least undoubtedly progressive.

So it was either that or spoil my ballot.

[RWD cossie wil]

Con

If Labour get in it's goodnight Vienna for what's left of our country

[Cheese Mechanic]

trashbat said:

At least, unlike voting Labour, I get to file my pointless protest vote under something that is at least undoubtedly progressive.

First time I have seen "progressive" used as a euphemism for "insane" . Because, if you actually read the Greens manifesto, thats what it is, insane.

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Thursday 7th May 15:36

[trashbat]

Cheese Mechanic said:

trashbat said:

At least, unlike voting Labour, I get to file my pointless protest vote under something that is at least undoubtedly progressive.

First time I have seen "progressive" as a eupemism for "insane" . Because, if you actually read the Greens manifesto, thats what it is, insane.

If you're looking for a decent argument, you need a new username, as I remember your other posts.

[iphonedyou]

Cheese Mechanic said:

First time I have seen "progressive" used as a euphemism for "insane" . Because, if you actually read the Greens manifesto, thats what it is, insane.

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Thursday 7th May 15:36

It's a rather naive interpretation, for sure. What may be - sort of, viewed through a myopic prism - progressive aims will ultimately be anything but progressive in outcome.

ETA: I can only hope my username doesn't preclude debate!

Edited by iphonedyou on Thursday 7th May 15:40

[Cheese Mechanic]

trashbat said:

f you're looking for a decent argument, you need a new username, as I remember your other posts.

Not looking for an argument, there isn't one, the Greens manifesto, is just that, insane. ETA. Unless the reader is insane themselves, of course

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Thursday 7th May 15:40

[Legend83]

My wife voted Conservative in a very safe Conservative seat.

I align mostly with right-leaning Conservativism and agree on a lot with UKIP, however Peter Lilley is a very good MP for our area and also is outspoken against mass immigration and is critical of climate change bks.

Tied between Cons and UKIP...will decide when I get in the booth! Either way, it doesn't matter too much in my seat.

[Derek Smith]

jonby said:

I think people are wrong to think their votes make no difference in this election, in safe seats

When all the arguments erupt over which party has the mandate to form a government, I am convinced that one of the arguments will be total votes cast for Labour vs Tories. It's not a legal issue, but it will lend weight to the arguments. For instance it's quite conceivable that Labour end up with very few seats but 100s of thousands of votes in Scotland - it's vitally important that whether your party is the one that is certain to lose or the one certain to win (in a safe seat) that you still vote, because cumulatively they will be used in the debates

I don't think that's how it works.

I am off out to vote in a few minutes. I wasn't going to bother as I'm in a safe seat, one held by an oaf who seems to have little regard for the area. The impression I get is that he's in if for the lifestyle. I have the feeling that by voting I legitimise his position in the sense that I've had my bit of democracy and that is it. But in the end, habit has proven stronger than reason.

The total number of votes will have little or no, probably the latter, effect on decisions made if there is no overall majority. We only have to look at last time, with both labour and tory going after the lib dems for their support, promising this, that and the other. There was no regard for logic, only precedent.

So I'll vote. The MP I get has already been decided and he'll perform to the same dreadful standard he's done in the past. The real choice of who will represent me is completed by party politics, the sordid engineering of picking the right person for the post, but only in the opinion of the ruling clique.

[trashbat]

iphonedyou said:

It's a rather naive interpretation, for sure. What may be - sort of, viewed through a myopic prism - progressive aims will ultimately be anything but progressive in outcome.

ETA: I can only hope my username doesn't preclude debate.

Whether it's naïve or not surely depends on what I actually think, no?

You would struggle to categorise the Green manifesto as conservative or regressive, except maybe for the odd lazy quip involving the stone age. Thus, taken as a whole, it's generally hard to say it's not progressive*. "Insane" is at least a more workable angle.

Nonetheless I simply voted for it. That doesn't correlate to me wanting to see it come about, or thinking that every element of it is a great idea. Although, I might

• it also expresses a clearer intent than some protest votes

[jonby]

trashbat said:

Well, I voted Green It's a waste of everyone's time, including my own - the candidate lives in fking Wanstead - but what else am I supposed to do?

I live in a rural, moneyied constituency that will vote Tory regardless, Labour have failed to offer anything meaningful although ultimately I faintly hope they win, and the only pleasure I'll apparently gain from this election is watching the Lib Dems get annihilated for their betrayal of the electorate.

At least, unlike voting Labour, I get to file my pointless protest vote under something that is at least undoubtedly progressive.

So it was either that or spoil my ballot.

And here was me wondering what the logic behind the 7 people in the poll that have voted Green might have been.....................now I see it's not logic, it's just nonsense

[iphonedyou]

trashbat said:

hether it's naïve or not surely depends on what I actually think, no?

You would struggle to categorise the Green manifesto as conservative or regressive, except maybe for the odd lazy quip involving the stone age. "Insane" is at least a more workable angle.

Nonetheless I simply voted for it. That doesn't correlate to me wanting to see it come about, or thinking that every element of it is a great idea. Although, I might

I thought it axiomatic that interpretation involved thinking, to be fair.

[trashbat]

jonby said:

And here was me wondering what the logic behind the 7 people in the poll that have voted Green might have been.....................now I see it's not logic, it's just nonsense

Great post, would read again. A+++++++++++

[jonby]

Derek Smith said:

jonby said:

I think people are wrong to think their votes make no difference in this election, in safe seats

When all the arguments erupt over which party has the mandate to form a government, I am convinced that one of the arguments will be total votes cast for Labour vs Tories. It's not a legal issue, but it will lend weight to the arguments. For instance it's quite conceivable that Labour end up with very few seats but 100s of thousands of votes in Scotland - it's vitally important that whether your party is the one that is certain to lose or the one certain to win (in a safe seat) that you still vote, because cumulatively they will be used in the debates

I don't think that's how it works.

This isn't so much about 'how it works' and more about the almighty row between labour & conservative that is likely to erupt over who has more legitimacy. There is no legal basis behind my argument, but when they both argue they should form a government and possibly both have a very similar number of seats (although actually I'm in the camp of thinking tories will do better than predicted), if one can wave 1 million more votes behind them than the other, it simply adds to the argument. Because this could get very messy so every little helps

[iphonedyou]

trashbat said:

reat post, would read again. A+++++++++++

It is illogical, though. Voting on the basis of progressive aims when, by any honest, objective measure the outcome is likely to be manifestly regressive.

[55palfers]

http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic31599.html

There is a similar poll on a Range Rover forum I go on.

For those not able to log-in, here is the result as I type this



Is it something to do with car folk, or powerfully built directors driving Rangies?

[turbobloke]

55palfers said:

Is it something to do with car folk, or powerfully built directors driving Rangies?

Probably at least something to do with people who make better than average life decisions continuing to do so.

[trashbat]

iphonedyou said:

trashbat said:

reat post, would read again. A+++++++++++

It is illogical, though. Voting on the basis of progressive aims when, by any honest, objective measure the outcome is likely to be manifestly regressive.

You miss the point again.

The outcome is guaranteed to be nil. There is zero chance of me inadvertently electing a Green MP to rural Hampshire, and a negligible chance of anyone but the Tory candidate getting in.

The only question is, if you believe in something else, what to do with your largely pointless opportunity to express yourself.

If that something else is broadly left of a centrist Labour party - which is obviously a set of values you don't agree with, but that's irrelevant - then I ask again, what are you supposed to do to be counted? Spoil your ballot?

[Digga]

55palfers said:

Is it something to do with car folk, or powerfully built directors driving Rangies?

Partly.

I think UKIP has also awoken political awareness of the non-left (i.e. not influenced by NUS/Socialist Worker) younger voters and also a lot of working people who might otherwise be staunchly Labour or Conservative.

[trashbat]

turbobloke said:

Probably at least something to do with people who make better than average life decisions continuing to do so.

Like being born into money, you mean? Great life choice, guys!

[AC43]

Jandywa said:

It's frightening to see people have actually voted for the SNP.

Yes but have you ever been to Glasgow?