Who are you going to vote for in 2015

[Wills2]

speedtwelve said:

Not having a dig Wills2, but isn't this tactical voting approach precisely why 'UKIP can't do well' as you say???

No dig taken speed, I think it's the way the system works or doesn't, IIRC the libdem's got 23% of the vote in 2010 but still ended up with less than 60 seats.

There are far too many seats that are either blue or red and the maths involved to turn them another colour makes it very very hard to do if not impossible.

They have more of a chance in the Tory held seats than labour ones IMHO as they will split the opposition vote in the labour held seats making it easier for labour to hold them.

[citizensm1th]

I live in a tory safe seat so I will be voting ukip in the hope that my vote goes towards splitting the tory/ukip vote.
I really dislike our system where certain seats are set so they never change and the parties parachute in the candidates that central office want in parliament.

[anonymous-user]

eldar said:

Greg66 said:

If Milliband wins, he either has a Parliamentary majority, or has the LDs in his back pocket, many of whom have even nuttier tax and spend ideas than Labour. How does that leave him him "no teeth"?

Every financial commitment will be examined, given his spending and borrowing powers will be limited. He'd have three years before cash, Europe and infighting toppled him.

Eh? He'd have no teeth but he'd be able to bankrupt the country in three years? No teeth in my book means he cant do anything of substance.

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

I live in a tory safe seat so I will be voting ukip in the hope that my vote goes towards splitting the tory/ukip vote.
I really dislike our system where certain seats are set so they never change and the parties parachute in the candidates that central office want in parliament.

Did you vote Tory at the last GE?

[porridge]

pablo said:

I find it interesting that 50% of respondents are willing to vote for a party who have no current MPs and who have no idea who the party candidate in the their constituency would actually be. I have leaflets from party representatives from the three main candidates in my area on a quarterly basis so I know what they are doing with regards to local issues, I have no idea who my UKIP candidate will be and won't be voting for anyone based purely on a party basis.

Those leaflets through your door are biased propaganda. Your MP will not be voting in the House for what his constituents want, he will be voting as per his whipping.

[porridge]

obob said:

don4l said:

Did you read the manifestos before the last election?

I did, so I voted UKIP.

Eta- I intend voting UKIP at the next election.

Don
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Yes I did so I voted Conservative for the first time. Still not sure how people have made their mind up without knowing what the plans are. You guys seem to laugh at the northern towns for voting labour every time just because its what they've always done but then do the same.

What Plans? Manifesto's are hot air written by Strategists, it is not what the politicians believe in and what will be guaranteed to be carried out- use as toiler paper.

Northern towns voted labour as is a fact that the Tory brand itself is tainted and toxic in the north, the UKIP brand is not.

Edited by porridge on Sunday 12th January 11:00

[mrpurple]

pablo said:

I find it interesting that 50% of respondents are willing to vote for a party who have no current MPs and who have no idea who the party candidate in the their constituency would actually be. I have leaflets from party representatives from the three main candidates in my area on a quarterly basis so I know what they are doing with regards to local issues, I have no idea who my UKIP candidate will be and won't be voting for anyone based purely on a party basis.

It matters not who your candidate is if you vote for any of the so called "big 3". They will vote on local issues the way they are told to. In the same vein if you vote UKIP. they will almostly certainly be a local person and not someone parachuted in. If he / she gets elected then they will vote on local issues they way they feel the local community want them to vote as they will not be whipped unlike the candidates from the big 3..... No brainer really when you think of IMHO.

[citizensm1th]

Greg66 said:

Did you vote Tory at the last GE?

really with my forum name?


no I voted lib as they at the time were the party most likely to topple our incumbent MP


General Election 2010: Bosworth[3]


candidate votes % ±%
Conservative David Tredinnick 23,132 42.6 0.0

Liberal Democrat Michael Mullaney 18,100 33.3 +11.7

Labour Rory Palmer 8,674 16 -15.9

BNP John Ryde 2,458 4.5 +4.5

UKIP Dutch Veldhuizen 1,098 2 -1.9

English Democrats James Lampitt 615 1.1 +1.1

Science Michael Brooks[4] 197 0.4 +0.4

Majority 5,032 9.3 -1.9

Turnout 70.2 +3.8

Conservative hold Swing -5.9

[anonymous-user]

porridge said:

Those leaflets through your door are biased propaganda. Your MP will not be voting in the House for what his constituents want, he will be voting as per his whipping.

But at least I know who that candidate is, their past, any former allegiances to other parties, their voting record and their agenda, few people voting UKIP can name their local candidate because UKIP themselves don't know what seats they are contesting in 2015 (MEPs don't count btw!) ....The point is I know who will be standing for Lab, Lib, Con in my constituency and yes, some if it is propaganda and I'm aware if that but at least they are doing something on a local level whether it's kissing babies at fetes or opening new shopping centres, it's a case of keeping friends close and enemies closer still!!

[mrpurple]

pablo said:

porridge said:

Those leaflets through your door are biased propaganda. Your MP will not be voting in the House for what his constituents want, he will be voting as per his whipping.

But at least I know who that candidate is, their past, any former allegiances to other parties, their voting record and their agenda, few people voting UKIP can name their local candidate because UKIP themselves don't know what seats they are contesting in 2015 (MEPs don't count btw!) ....The point is I know who will be standing for Lab, Lib, Con in my constituency and yes, some if it is propaganda and I'm aware if that but at least they are doing something on a local level whether it's kissing babies at fetes or opening new shopping centres, it's a case of keeping friends close and enemies closer still!!

Also don't forget that UKIP have pledged give the public power to require binding local and national referenda on major issues. So if local issues are your concern then again you have no other option than to vote UKIP........it's doing what the people that voted for you want you to do that matters not how many babies you kiss.

[MarshPhantom]

Nigel Farage will be our next PM then.

It was PH after all that predicted the Tories landslide victory at the last election.

[mrpurple]

pablo said:

I find it interesting that 50% of respondents are willing to vote for a party who have no current MPs and who have no idea who the party candidate in the their constituency would actually be. I have leaflets from party representatives from the three main candidates in my area on a quarterly basis so I know what they are doing with regards to local issues, I have no idea who my UKIP candidate will be and won't be voting for anyone based purely on a party basis.

so would you vote for these people if they were in your area?

http://www.ukipdudleyandhalesowenbranch.co.uk/18.h...

[techguyone]

I'm kinda torn on it. On one hand I want to vote UKIP, reality strikes, they don't have enough clout yet to get anything like a victory, they're not even as popular (yet) as the Lib Dems were. Granted a vote for UKIP will send a big 'WAKE UP!' message to the Conservatives (which they need) but then I do believe that it will just swing things too far into a Labour victory, which won't make things any better, and most likely a great deal worse.


I'm also unclear on beyond immigration how much real... substance is in a UKIP manifesto, as there's a lot more to running a country than immigration alone.


Why the FRAKK couldn't the Conservatives have done the EU Referendum during this term in parliament (like they stated in the manifesto grr)

So to summarise:

I think enough people will vote for UKIP (probably myself too)to block enough conservative seats (this WILL send a clear message to the Conservatives & force change that's needed) BUT at the same time, let the Labour guys in for another 5 years to cock up anything good that's happened since they were last in power.

[putonghua73]

dbdb said:

I'm not surprised by this poll result; it confirms my long held feeling that Piston Heads (or at least the News Politics and Economics part of it) is very unrepresentative of the country as a whole. If the vote was restricted to PHers, we would have a UKIP government and a Tory opposition. I'm not sure Labour or the Liberal democrats would even have a seat in parliament.

No political party represents me now. I used to be a Conservative, but the party has swung so far to the right that I cannot consider voting for them. The Conservative's vision is overwhelmingly negative and I am not anti European Union. Cameron seems almost like a Quisling to Farage. Milliband? Christ.

Conservative or Labour? My choice is between the despicable and the invisible. Reluctantly I may vote Liberal Democrat. At least they want to stay in the EU. Prepare for the idiotic mansion tax!

I'm in a similar quandary in that whilst I used to be left-leaning (am still am on some social issues), on other issues I'm more center-right or more accurately, libertarian. Conservatives? Negative with no real vision, and Cameron does give the impression of being wishy-washy with very little substance (can anyone articulate the 'Big Society'?). The decision to kick Heathrow Airport / aviation to yet another 'independent' non-binding review that will publish after the election was the final straw. Gove's high-minded arrogance and persistent politicising education (even though I generally agree with what he wishes to achieve) has completely turned me off.

In fact, the lack of long-term thinking on any important issue be it energy, transport, immigration, Europe, etc is a real bugbear and none of the parties seem to grasp the nettle or acknowledge the full extent of the problems.

Labour? If it was David Miliband, but the prospect of Ed and Balls in Downing Street has me failing around voting for almost anyone than those two.

Lib Dems? Too much sniping and undermining the coalition. You made your bed, now lie in it (for good or ill).

UKIP? I broadly like Nigel Farage as one of the few politicians who is candid to discuss hard truths, but am suspicious of the make-up of his party and supporters.

My decision will be based upon reading manifestos, looking back at previous manifestos, and determining the least worst option.

Edited by putonghua73 on Sunday 12th January 12:14

Edited by putonghua73 on Sunday 12th January 12:16

[einsign]

obob said:

So actual policies can wait? I suppose you voted for Blair.

Not quite what I meant, and how dare you swear at me!

[anonymous-user]

citizensm1th said:

Greg66 said:

Did you vote Tory at the last GE?

really with my forum name?


no I voted lib as they at the time were the party most likely to topple our incumbent MP


General Election 2010: Bosworth[3]


candidate votes % ±%
Conservative David Tredinnick 23,132 42.6 0.0

Liberal Democrat Michael Mullaney 18,100 33.3 +11.7

Labour Rory Palmer 8,674 16 -15.9

BNP John Ryde 2,458 4.5 +4.5

UKIP Dutch Veldhuizen 1,098 2 -1.9

English Democrats James Lampitt 615 1.1 +1.1

Science Michael Brooks[4] 197 0.4 +0.4

Majority 5,032 9.3 -1.9

Turnout 70.2 +3.8

Conservative hold Swing -5.9

Thought not.

citizensm1th said:

I live in a tory safe seat so I will be voting ukip in the hope that my vote goes towards splitting the tory/ukip vote.

You realise that unless you are a Tory voter, voting UKIP is not going to split the Tory vote, don't you? Your change of vote will do nothing more than contribute to a possible rearrangement of the candidates in second place and below. To unseat tot Tory incumbent your best bet is either for him to lose voters (which you can't contribute to) or for more people to vote LD (as you already have. Switching your vote to UKIP is *less* likely to unseat the Tory.

[Ozzie Osmond]

The risk is, of course, that voting for UKIP will simply let Labour in through the back door...

[AnonSpoilSport]

dbdb said:

I'm not surprised by this poll result; it confirms my long held feeling that Piston Heads (or at least the News Politics and Economics part of it) is very unrepresentative of the country as a whole. If the vote was restricted to PHers, we would have a UKIP government and a Tory opposition. I'm not sure Labour or the Liberal democrats would even have a seat in parliament.

How representative do you think the users of NP&E and the voters here are? I'd wager that they are unrepresentatively:

In employment.

Not dependent on benefits.

Pay more than their fair share of taxes.

Are, in effect, used by others, beyond what should be expected of them and with the full connivance of the main parties.

Contribute to the country.

Care about the country.

Are interested in politics.

Are are informed.

And, and, and...


Mind you, the Greens are still showing at 2% - cannot fathom that one - and you might vote for the cancer that is the Liberals, so I might be wrong!

[turbobloke]

AnonSpoilSport said:

dbdb said:

I'm not surprised by this poll result; it confirms my long held feeling that Piston Heads (or at least the News Politics and Economics part of it) is very unrepresentative of the country as a whole. If the vote was restricted to PHers, we would have a UKIP government and a Tory opposition. I'm not sure Labour or the Liberal democrats would even have a seat in parliament.

How representative do you think the users of NP&E and the voters here are? I'd wager that they are unrepresentatively:

In employment.

Not dependent on benefits.

Pay more than their fair share of taxes.

Are, in effect, used by others, beyond what should be expected of them and with the full connivance of the main parties.

Contribute to the country.

Care about the country.

Are interested in politics.

Are are informed.

And, and, and...

Exactly, and it's what makes PH and NPE such an interesting and informative place to visit, with no MSM-style fawning and asskissing to the politically correct foolishness and incompetence typified by Labour, LibDems and the Greens. Almost forgot - CMD too.

[TLandCruiser]

instead of playing games and "tactical voting" why dont people just vote with their heart and head. Im voting UKIP...hopefully, my vote among others who feel that the other parties have lost touch with my views and beliefs and trust will do the same and hey...you never know we might win