Can I 'make' a bank?
Can I 'make' a bank?
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dirty boy

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14,788 posts

226 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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Banks 'make' the money right?

Is there anything, apart from myriad red tape, that would stop me incorporating a bank?

I then borrow off who? The BoE presumably? Then lend to my customers at whatever rate I see fit?

Also, if the BoE rate is so low, why can I not borrow direct from them for my own purposes?

Light hearted discussion please?

Simple maths would suggest if I borrow £1,000,000 from BoE at 0.5% then lend £1,000,000 to customers, whom i've done some due dilligence on, and believe can pay, at a rate of say 2% (tracker only) I make £691 a month?

Okay, it's a lot of effort, and, you'd make more putting a million in a bank, but I don't have a million right? So making £600 a month from someone else (we're ignoring taxes etc at the moment) lending me the money seems simple enough right? Hence banks are so rich?

Is it just the red tape?

Forgive the lack of understanding. It's really just a muse to provoke some discussion

VII

131 posts

174 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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Then take 1 million pounds in deposits from customers and use fractional reserve banking to loan out 10 million pounds and you're on to a winner!

mrmr96

13,736 posts

221 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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What makes you think that the BoE would lend you £1m at 0.5%?

F458

1,009 posts

186 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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What you want to do is borrow £1M from BOE go to the casino and put it all on red or black and then if it wins keep the £1M profit and if it loses go to the government and get given the original £1m back off them and then go and do the same thing till you win!! Easy!! smile

dirty boy

Original Poster:

14,788 posts

226 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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mrmr96 said:
What makes you think that the BoE would lend you £1m at 0.5%?
I've got an honest face?

How do banks do it?

On the back of sound balance sheets like every other business that wants to borrow money? Is it secured? If so, against what?

Beardy10

24,565 posts

192 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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You need what is known as regulatory capital.....i.e. an equity cushion to absorb losses on your loan portfolio. Then you need a credit rating, banking license etc etc

Strangely enough it's actually very hard to do which is why the likes of Tesco used white label RBS products initially.

skeeterm5

4,301 posts

205 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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dirty boy said:
I've got an honest face?

How do banks do it?

On the back of sound balance sheets like every other business that wants to borrow money? Is it secured? If so, against what?
What do you think banks do with all the money people pay into them?

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-Pete-

2,914 posts

193 months

Friday 30th September 2011
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You'll need a call centre about a million miles away where people have only a 50% grasp of English and 5% grasp of what they're supposed to be doing. And some cheerful multi-ethnic actors pretending to be branch staff who care about your customers, for the advert. And offer inflation-x% savings accounts with words like extra, plus, gold, super-saver and so on in their titles. And put 10 small windows in the front of your house with a little blind or 'closed' sign in 9 of them.

If you're recruiting, I think I might be just the person you're looking for...

groak

3,254 posts

196 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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I like debt and will be delighted to borrow some money from you. The more the better. I know many other people who would also like to borrow. So do they. Between us all a colossal pyramid of borrowers await the opening.

So that's the customer base sorted.

CaptainSlow

13,179 posts

229 months

Saturday 1st October 2011
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Banks don't borrow money from the BoE, they either use money from their customers' deposits or go to the capital markets (there are other methods but lets keep it simple).

When they borrow from the markets the reference rate in the UK is normally LIBOR. On top of the LIBOR rate the bank has to pay what's is known as a spread. The spread is a margin that represents the market's appetite to lend to that particular bank.

In recent years the LIBOR rate and especially market spreads haven't always been correlated to BoE movements.

There is a load of red tape to setting up a new bank but some new ones have launched recently.

GuinnessMK

1,608 posts

239 months

Sunday 2nd October 2011
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-Pete- said:
You'll need a call centre about a million miles away where people have only a 50% grasp of English and 5% grasp of what they're supposed to be doing. And some cheerful multi-ethnic actors pretending to be branch staff who care about your customers, for the advert. And offer inflation-x% savings accounts with words like extra, plus, gold, super-saver and so on in their titles. And put 10 small windows in the front of your house with a little blind or 'closed' sign in 9 of them.
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