How much has your pension lost?
How much has your pension lost?
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OdramaSwimLaden

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1,971 posts

186 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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I was shocked to see how much my pension has dropped in the last 6 months!!

I'm with one of the top rated pension funds and mine has dropped 18% since April!!......still i'm paying the management company a healthy % as it drops.

One big con.

So, if you have one, how are you fairing?

  • **Mods, please keep in the lounge so we can expose this con!!****
Edited by OdramaSwimLaden on Wednesday 5th October 12:01

sjg

7,608 posts

282 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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"con"? Bet you were happy enough when shares were going up and up.

Zippee

13,805 posts

251 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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What con? You do understand how a DC scheme works don't you? And that stock markets can go down as well as up?

SeeFive

8,353 posts

250 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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lost 50% in the last 6 months at least.

I had to give half of it to my ex-wife!

Stedman

7,333 posts

209 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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SeeFive said:
lost 50% in the last 6 months at least.

I had to give half of it to my ex-wife!
My condolences.

birdcage

2,873 posts

222 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Depending on when you want to retire good time to pile in.......

superlightr

12,916 posts

280 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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mine has gone up and down like a yoyo. Went down 3 yrs ago.

When started was paying £350 a month 10% extra each year required to give about £10k return intodays money.
now up to about £570 and the forcast is still going down now to about £9100 return. last few payments will be £2000 ish which I wont be able to do hence wont meet even this lower forcast let alone if the stocks bomb.

Got 14 years left and looking to suspend it and put the money towards a rental property.

We have other rentals so the pension was in addition but the more I think about it the less sence a normal pension makes. I have to buy an anuuity, (rates reducing) if I die soon after retiring wife gets 50% for x yrs then nothing its wasted, Ive got to live min of 25 yrs after retiring at 55 to break even and then I have no asset to pass on/sell.

If I get a rental property and use the money to pay off the mortgage and rent received will mean its paid off in about 15 yrs then Ill have about a £10k income plus the assett to pass on sell do what I like. sure I have to find the deposit but it still looks more attractive and is under my control. Sure CGT when its sold but its still works out better then a poorly perforimg pension.

superlightr

12,916 posts

280 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Am I silly for not piling my money into a normal pension over the next 14 yrs ? I understand property and rentals -its my job I dont understand pensions.

Jasandjules

71,274 posts

246 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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They are not doing as badly as I was expecting BUT that's because when I was younger I took a risk and put 25% into High Risk stocks and 25% into medium risk accounts, leaving only half in the UK "low risk" shares...........

Zippee

13,805 posts

251 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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TBH the main advandtage of a pension to a private individual is that it enables them to save for their retirement in a way that they cannot access those savings in the shorter term - many people are weak and once the pot builds enough will just see a pile of 'free' cash to blow on a car/holiday etc. Not everyone is strong willed enough to save a regular amount over several years without spending it.
Property/BTL may well be a good option as long as you tread carefully, though again it's not an option open to the masses, eg/ a 25% deposit isn't exactly pocket change.
An ISA (ideally stocks not cash) will give savings flexibility but comes back to the free cash argument.

Personally if my company didn't contribute 12% of my salary alongside my 6% (18% total pcm) I'd be investing myself in various investment funds and then property. As it stands though, the gains for me far outweigh the actual net flow from my salary, though thats not to say I won't save elsewhere, in fact my sharesve will mature in 2 years time netting me around 32k (markets dependant) and that will fund my first BTL.

birdcage

2,873 posts

222 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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It's a good 'hedge' against all your other ships not coming in..

My money man always says, no one ever complains that their pension is too much.

jj333

442 posts

176 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Am I right in thinking current contributions purchase more units when the market is low anyway?

davemac250

4,499 posts

222 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Blows own trumpet.

The ones I manage haven't lost a bean!

(Because I get scared easily and sold to cash at the end of July)

covmutley

3,230 posts

207 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Isnt the main advantage that pension contributions are tax free so you are 20%(ish?) up from the off??

birdcage

2,873 posts

222 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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jj333 said:
Am I right in thinking current contributions purchase more units when the market is low anyway?
yes

MrChips

3,288 posts

227 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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My old man lost several hundred thousand when equitable life went tits up. I must be a mug as I contribute to a work pension but don't really keep an eye on it. Like many people I would guess, I just pay each month and hope that when I retire it'll be worth it!

Tiggsy

10,261 posts

269 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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anonymous said:
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It's a valid point that if you pay 20% now and expect to do so in retirement then the gain is less than you'd think (you get 25% of it as cash so it's 5% tax relief!)

But if you have little income in retirement (non-working spouse) or pay 40 or 50% now and expect to drop to 20% in retirement then there is a clean gain between the relief now and the income tax paid as a little old person.

And anyone who thinks a falling market shows why a pension is a "con" should not worry about such things until they have left school and actually have a job.

Toro Rosso

187 posts

172 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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anonymous said:
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And pay tax on that income (assuming you are not talking about just taking the capital - but even then you may face capital gains tax).

If you want to invest in a pension and are some time from retirement now is a good time to do so as units costs less.

The biggest advantage is the tax relief meaning you can afford for the stock market to lose a fair whack before you are technically any worse off. As someone else also said it stops you from touching the money before as well (though this is not always a good thing).

And also to answer some of the comments above you will not have to take an annuity at all soon and can just draw down on the fund, so people will not be punished by reaching the mandatory age when markets are crap (ie now).

Property is probably still a good investment, but to rely on it for retirement I would be looking to mix it with a pension also. Especially if you have an employer scheme where they contribute - not joining this is equivalent to throwing away a pay rise!

superlightr

12,916 posts

280 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Toro Rosso said:
Property is probably still a good investment, but to rely on it for retirement I would be looking to mix it with a pension also. Especially if you have an employer scheme where they contribute - not joining this is equivalent to throwing away a pay rise!
Self employed - so no help there. Think I will still go down the route of all into properties. Dont like the idea of not leaving anything if I die early/dont live long enough to reap any benefit of the pension/ like my own hot sticky hands on it rather then anyone eleses.


D1ngd0ng

1,014 posts

182 months

Wednesday 5th October 2011
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Swings & roundabouts, still around 40 some years till I look at retiring, markets will go up & down in that time. But yes it has lost value this year, something around 15% I think.