betting for profit
betting for profit
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jamie128

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1,604 posts

194 months

Thursday 22nd March 2012
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I dont know much about betting so forgive me if i say something stupid.

Im also crap at sport knowledge.

Lets say there was a match on, and i put £1 on the following scores.

0-0, 0-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2

What are the chances i would come out with more than i put down?

In this case i would put down 7 pound, a pound for each score, Provided neither team scores no more than 2 and one of my scores is right would i make much profit? or would i likely end up losing more than ive gained even if i win?

This is just for general matches, none in particular

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Thursday 22nd March 2012
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There are loads of bots that keep the market fairly efficient so over time you may break even but lose out on commission if you find the best odds (usually on a betting exchange).

There are occasional discrepancies but you really need to know the sport you're betting on so that you can identify "value". For instance, yesterday's Tottenham odds started at 1.4 which is terrible value given their recent performance - so laying them rather than backing them would have made more sense.

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Thursday 22nd March 2012
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This video tells you all you need to know about football betting when you have no idea about value, form and the sport in general:

http://youtu.be/_pqkJJ9m5mU

BarnatosGhost

32,660 posts

277 months

Thursday 22nd March 2012
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The match was basketball. I has all urz munny. Fanks.

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Thursday 22nd March 2012
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Well, at least the usual "gambling's a mug's game" tripe hasn't been spouted yet.

66comanche

2,369 posts

183 months

Friday 23rd March 2012
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IME scores like 0-0 or 1-1 or 1-0 are often around 7-1 so you would just break even there, then when you take into account the huge range of scores you haven't covered, you'd quickly be on a loser.

honest_delboy

1,672 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th March 2012
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A guy was doing exactly this on betfair and was doing quite well, he would only bet in matches that looked "tight".

Run your theory in practice over a few weekends and see how you get on, i think you can get the prices off BF without having an account.

NorthernBoy

12,642 posts

281 months

Thursday 29th March 2012
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Hoofy said:
Well, at least the usual "gambling's a mug's game" tripe hasn't been spouted yet.
Why is it "tripe"?

The evidence rather suggests that somewhere North of 99% of gamblers lose in the long term.

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Friday 30th March 2012
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NorthernBoy said:
Why is it "tripe"?

The evidence rather suggests that somewhere North of 99% of gamblers lose in the long term.
Sure, but it's not helpful to anyone and tedious at best. Besides, "in the long term", 100% of accountants are jobless.

NorthernBoy

12,642 posts

281 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2012
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Hoofy said:
Sure, but it's not helpful to anyone and tedious at best. Besides, "in the long term", 100% of accountants are jobless.
It's not helpful, to point out to someone planning on gambling for profit that they likely won't?

What a bizarre thing to say.

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2012
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NorthernBoy said:
It's not helpful, to point out to someone planning on gambling for profit that they likely won't?

What a bizarre thing to say.
Well, it'll stop them but they might be the 0.1% who make a nice living from it.

NorthernBoy

12,642 posts

281 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2012
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Hoofy said:
Well, it'll stop them but they might be the 0.1% who make a nice living from it.
So you'd withhold advice that would help 999 people because it would hinder 1?

That's like telling people not to wear a seatbelt because 1 time in 1,000 you'd be better off without it.

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Tuesday 3rd April 2012
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NorthernBoy said:
So you'd withhold advice that would help 999 people because it would hinder 1?

That's like telling people not to wear a seatbelt because 1 time in 1,000 you'd be better off without it.
I won't stop someone trying it for themselves. Saying "you'll just lose money" is hardly advice. Most (80%?) of businesses fail. I'd still encourage anyone to give it a go.

honest_delboy

1,672 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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Tonights chelsea v benfica game will be good to test the OP's theory.

Chelsea only need 0-0 to go through so in theory could park the bus for 90 mins.

i can't access BF from work but will try and post something up tonight.

Bing o

15,184 posts

243 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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Well, no-one ever posts a thread called "betting for loss", but that's usually how it ends up...

iphonedyou

10,166 posts

181 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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The fact that most people don't win when sports betting does not make posting 'gambling is a mug's game' a useful thing to do - especially on a thread like this. Because the simple fact is, most people just aren't any good at it.

I'm no good at surgery, but I'll not tell somebody surgery is tripe. Because somebody can do it, given enough time and skill.

OP: I regularly take over 2.5 goals, and I've lost count of the times I've seen 4-1, 5-1, 5-0 . So those would need to be factored into any calculation, as alluded to above.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

256 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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jamie128 said:
I dont know much about betting so forgive me if i say something stupid.

Im also crap at sport knowledge.

Lets say there was a match on, and i put £1 on the following scores.

0-0, 0-1, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-2

What are the chances i would come out with more than i put down?

In this case i would put down 7 pound, a pound for each score, Provided neither team scores no more than 2 and one of my scores is right would i make much profit? or would i likely end up losing more than ive gained even if i win?

This is just for general matches, none in particular
YOu would definitely lose. THis is exactly how the whole bookmaker industry works.
If you think of it the other way around- the bookmakers are taking millions of each bet that you suggested. THe odds are calculated exactly so they will profit whatever the result (more or less) hence what you are suggesting is recreating the whole market in miniature which is a guaranteed loss in the long run.

Hoofy

79,417 posts

306 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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blindswelledrat said:
YOu would definitely lose. THis is exactly how the whole bookmaker industry works.
If you think of it the other way around- the bookmakers are taking millions of each bet that you suggested. THe odds are calculated exactly so they will profit whatever the result (more or less) hence what you are suggesting is recreating the whole market in miniature which is a guaranteed loss in the long run.
Are you saying I should lay the market? biggrin

honest_delboy

1,672 posts

224 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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Here it is, not pretty viewing, even if you omit the 2-0 0-2 as in the OP the odds and return aren't great.

Matt..

3,950 posts

213 months

Wednesday 4th April 2012
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I play quite a bit on Betfair now. I find US sports much easier to get right, especially basketball (as there are only 2 outcomes!).

I never bet on football, as it's very difficult for someone with little knowledge to do well.