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AtticusFinch

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29,045 posts

213 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Are savings rates going to increase in the next 12 months or do you think we will have another round of QE. I guess this question is impossible to answer but I would be interested in views/thoughts rational or otherwise.

ringram

14,702 posts

278 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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How long is a piece of string?

Look at Japan!

Rates are totally dependant on govt policy.

Fiscal stimulus = more likelihood of increasing rates.

Austerity = low rates for longer.

IMO in the next year, not much will happen.. after that who knows time to take another view in 12 months time.


fido

18,918 posts

285 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Yep, to predict rates you'll need to predict inflation - that is going to be the driver for any future BoE decision.

Me, i think we're getting to that point, albeit slowly.

P-Jay

11,408 posts

221 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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I suspect nothing in the next 12 months.

Cheib

25,420 posts

205 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Rates aren't going anywhere for a good while....QE or no QE.

Sarnie

8,373 posts

239 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Miguel Sard, MD of Abbey For Intermediaries/Santander, was guest speaker at a conference I was at a week or so ago and he said that they were predicting late 2015 to early 2016 before we saw any 'significant' rate rises.....

marky1

1,094 posts

226 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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They were also predicting more QE until last Thursday. These banks change their opinion at the drop of a hat, you wouldn't want to rely on their "calls".

Sarnie

8,373 posts

239 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Of course, just passing on an opinion from someone within the sector.....

The same conference highlighted the fact that the predictions for our recovery are being tapered back year on year, as the economy struggles to hit the figures that so called experts expected us to by now.

The 'Lost Decades' of Japan make a startling comparison for our on economy and where it is heading....

cuprabob

19,759 posts

244 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Low base rate doesn't stop banks raising mortgage rates if they want to. Some are changing their T&Cs to allow them to increase their SVR

porridge

1,109 posts

174 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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There are those who don't know, and there are those who don't know that they don't know.

/thread

AtticusFinch

Original Poster:

29,045 posts

213 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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porridge said:
There are those who don't know, and there are those who don't know that they don't know.

/thread
(Warren Buffet)

porridge

1,109 posts

174 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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AtticusFinch said:
(Warren Buffet)
You got me. Where shoukd I send the £5

ellroy

7,846 posts

255 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Don't be surprised if there's a 25bp fall next month........

fid

2,431 posts

270 months

Monday 29th October 2012
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Cheib said:
Rates aren't going anywhere for a good while....QE or no QE.
You think, you hope, or you know?

Cheib

25,420 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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fid said:
Cheib said:
Rates aren't going anywhere for a good while....QE or no QE.
You think, you hope, or you know?
I think and I hope I know....

Rates are low to reflate the banking system and help banks repair balance sheets. The reality is that the transmission mechanism for the low central bank rates to the end user i.e. business and individuals is still broken i.e. the banks will only lend competitively to companies or individuals that don't really need it.

Here's an article about Rolls Royce (aero engines not cars!) who are lending money to their suppliers because the banks won't finance them. Clearly these are companies that are going concerns!
http://www.supanet.com/rolls-royce-forced-to-lend-...

Here's a quick article about the impact on the markets of QE in the US. As you would expect each iteration has less and less of an effect

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-29/incredibl...

Guvernator

14,477 posts

195 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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I understand that the banks are spooked but surely it's in their best interests to get the money moving again as they make money by lending money. Besides it's a bit late for prudence now isn't it? Talk about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

Cause the problem by irresponsible lending in the first place and then prolong the agony by closing up shop, they really do have a lot to answer for.

Cheib

25,420 posts

205 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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Guvernator said:
I understand that the banks are spooked but surely it's in their best interests to get the money moving again as they make money by lending money. Besides it's a bit late for prudence now isn't it? Talk about closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.

Cause the problem by irresponsible lending in the first place and then prolong the agony by closing up shop, they really do have a lot to answer for.
Trouble is when banks lends money they have to put aside what is known as regulatory capital and the riskier the lending the more capital they have to commit. What that means in terms of say the mortgage market is that loans under 50% LTV they are very happy to lend on but once it gets over 75% it's really not very profitable to lend money and over 90% the margins are tiny.

It's a double edged sword as the more money they lend they can retain those earnings and replenish their capital base but if you don't have enough capital in the first place you can't lend the money.....

These rules have changed post the financial crisis and are going to get more onerous in a few years.

fid

2,431 posts

270 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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Edited by fid on Tuesday 30th October 22:30

fid

2,431 posts

270 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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Cheib said:
...Rates are low to reflate the banking system and help banks repair balance sheets...
Would a higher base rate improve equity returns? Think I recall reading it in the FT a year or so ago...but I can't remember the reasoning smile

jonny70

1,280 posts

188 months

Tuesday 30th October 2012
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AtticusFinch said:
porridge said:
There are those who don't know, and there are those who don't know that they don't know.

/thread
(Warren Buffet)
it wasnt Buffet who said that. It was John kenneth Galbraith.