Buying a property - help with approach
Buying a property - help with approach
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Lostprophet

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2,549 posts

199 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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Hi all,

I need some help with my approach.

We are buying our first family home. It is up for 430k, I offered 395k. The property needs a fair bit of work.

I put the offer in today. I did not hear anything. How do I approach it all. Being a first time buyer I don't have experience dealing with agents. How and what should I do?

Do I call back tomorrow to chase?

Lostprophet

Original Poster:

2,549 posts

199 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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Thanks for your input. Cheers.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 9th November 2012
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Your offer seems fair in the current market. Chasing tomorrow may make the seller feel that you are a bit too keen and thus you will offer more, difficult as it is, sit tight, play it cool and let them come back to you.

Burnham

3,668 posts

289 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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I think a 10% knock is hard to get even now, so thats a strong first offer..

The agent will get back to you, dont call them. It will be refused of course, but I wouldnt hurry to increase it. Patience is key, make them feel like they want to sell it more than you want to buy it.

Lostprophet

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2,549 posts

199 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Cheers guys.

The biggest fear for me is the games agents are well known for. There's another 'buyer' and they have bid more... Blah blah. I don't want to lose the property but I can be sure of their games. Is this to be ignored? I don't want to get into his game as its just so much money to even think about 10k extra.

The wife wants me to call first thing in the morning but you are right a out the paitence. Sitting tight might be the key!

Cheers guys. That's sound advice.

Lostprophet

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2,549 posts

199 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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By the way, while seeing the property I showed no interest in it and mentioned it needed lots of work.

After the viewing I called and I said I do not do the back and forth game. My offer is my offer. The agent seem to be okayish about it however he did say the owner wanted 400k plus.

I am assuming, buyers market, Christmas slows the market down and also we have no chain and can finalise within 2-3 weeks tops. All points worth considering I suppose.

Sarnie

8,373 posts

239 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Your in the driving seat.

Trust me, the seller wants to sell the house more than you want to buy it. You can buy any other house in the country, he's trying to shift his one. I'd expect that offer to be refused as a matter of course. Don't go back with an immediate offer, tell them your going to think about it and view a few more properties.

There aren't many people shifting £400k properties quickly so wait till the middle of next week before returning with a new offer.

Don't be guided by what the estate agent is telling you. Remember who pays the estate agent; the vendor!! Therefore they are working for him to not only secure a sale but extract the maximum price from you.

Be strong. Your in a very strong position, a position that is often not fully appreciated by FTB's.

NewNameNeeded

2,560 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Sarnie said:
Be strong. Your in a very strong position, a position that is often not fully appreciated by FTB's.
And even more so given the cost of the house. At that price it wouldn't be unusual for it to be the second, third or more in a chain. So you're a huge bonus for the sellers that you're FTB's.

NewNameNeeded

2,560 posts

255 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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P.s. I see you're in Enfield. Which estate agents are you buying through (PM me if you like) as we're in Enfield too and I've bought and sold a couple of properties in the area. I might be able to tell you a bit about what the estate agent was like for us. I also know a good local conveyancer, if you are interested.

JM5

367 posts

186 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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To echo the above it's rare you will find a chain free buyer in this price range. The agent will be fighting your corner and advising the vendor to consider your offer because of your strong position. If it was a flat out no you would of generally had them on the phone asking for an increase by now so I'd guess the vendor was considering it.

porridge

1,109 posts

174 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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OP - what does propertybee show regarding what date it came onto the market?

Also was it sold before recently, if so for how much, if not then what does the Actual Sold prices record show for similar properties in same & nearby streets.

porridge

1,109 posts

174 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Lostprophet said:
After the viewing I called and I said I do not do the back and forth game. My offer is my offer.
If this is the case then no point fretting, keep arranging viewings on other properties.

if you don't hear back on your offer in a week then check the agent hasn't forgotten to contact you.

marky1

1,094 posts

226 months

Saturday 10th November 2012
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Lostprophet said:
Cheers guys.

The biggest fear for me is the games agents are well known for. There's another 'buyer' and they have bid more... Blah blah. I don't want to lose the property but I can be sure of their games. Is this to be ignored? I don't want to get into his game as its just so much money to even think about 10k extra.

The wife wants me to call first thing in the morning but you are right a out the paitence. Sitting tight might be the key!

Cheers guys. That's sound advice.
First bit of advice, don't listen to the Mrs!
When the agent starts playing games call their bluff. When they tell you there's another buyer your reply should be "what you wasting your time with me then, sell it to them".


rog007

5,831 posts

254 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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I'm less of a sceptic; be prepared to pay what you think is a fair price for the property if it is the one you want. I think it's that simple and that has worked for me with properties (and cars) that I have both bought and sold (bought one and sold 2 in last 6 months) over the years. It really does make the whole experience much more enjoyable and less adversarial and thus less stressful for all involved. Good luck!

Lostprophet

Original Poster:

2,549 posts

199 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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Some very very good advice. I took a lot of it on board. I did not call the agent and surprisingly the agent did not call me either.

It did out the offer in Friday morning, so it's fine for the owners to take the weekend to think a out it!

I will hold off until Tuesday and give the agent a call.

darreni

4,543 posts

300 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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Sarnie said:
Your in the driving seat.

Trust me, the seller wants to sell the house more than you want to buy it.
You can't be sure of that.

It depends what other similar houses in the area have sold for.

Re the EA, you'll never know if there are other offers or if the EA is making it up.

We bought a house in 2004, up for £550k, I offered £500k as it needed a lot of work. The EA said they had other offers (though we were chain free), i'll never know if they did or not, but we settled on £530k & it was a good buy at that.

OP if the house really is the one for you, don't lose it over a few grand if push comes to shove.

Lostprophet

Original Poster:

2,549 posts

199 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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Again that is good advice too!

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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Get on to Zoopla and do a lot of research. Has it sold before and how much for? What about other similar houses nearby? Try to know the market as well as your EA then perhaps your bullst detector will be in tune.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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darreni said:
Sarnie said:
Your in the driving seat.

Trust me, the seller wants to sell the house more than you want to buy it.
You can't be sure of that.
I would agree with that. The last time we bought, no-one seemed interested in selling their house at all. One seller was very awkward about viewing and another "new on the market" in winter had photo's taken in the summer - apparently the kids didn't want to move so they'd previously taken it off the market; the kids were 2 & 4!

It could be a couple divorcing and one half doesn't really want to sell.

Plus, if the seller doesn't have a onward plans yet, they could well find it difficult to find an available house to buy once they start looking seriously.


Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Sunday 11th November 2012
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Lostprophet said:
After the viewing I called and I said I do not do the back and forth game. My offer is my offer. The agent seem to be okayish about it however he did say the owner wanted 400k plus.
The trouble with that approach is that if the agent takes you at your word then you've left yourself nowhere to go.