BBC News: "Interest rates likely to go up in 2014"
BBC News: "Interest rates likely to go up in 2014"
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RocketScience

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6,128 posts

207 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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BBC News just did a piece on the Bank of England's more positive outlook and the recent reduction in unemployment.

They suggested that the BoE base rate is likely to increase sooner than expected - next year in fact.

What's your thoughts on this, and what impact would an increase in Mortgage/Savings interest rates have on you?

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Watch for a massive extension of Help to Buy if the rate does start to creep up. The government can't afford for people to suddenly realise they can't afford their mortgages any more.

RocketScience

Original Poster:

6,128 posts

207 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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When it goes up, do you think it would just creep up to 1% for a few years, or could it ramp up to 5% within a few months?

Simpo Two

92,957 posts

295 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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I have no borrowings and live on savings so 15% would be very nice thank you Santa smile

Elderly

3,738 posts

268 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Simpo Two said:
I have no borrowings and live on savings so 15% would be very nice thank you Santa smile
As they approximately were from the mid 70s to the mid 80s IIRC.
The problem was that inflation was around those levels too.

Simpo Two

92,957 posts

295 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Elderly said:
As they approximately were from the mid 70s to the mid 80s IIRC.
The problem was that inflation was around those levels too.
IIRC they hit 15% in the early 90s; I think it was Norman Lament trying to play King Canute. Tyically they were 7-8%, and the housing market seemed perfectly fine. How would today's housebuyers cope with a jump from 1% to 8% I wonder?!

But you have a point about inflation.

Can the interest rate ever be above inflation? I think the two must be linked.

jonny70

1,280 posts

188 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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no way they will rise before the next election

The Leaper

5,720 posts

236 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I remember an interest rate of around 18% on my first repayment mortgage in the mid 1970s. Difficult but doable then, just. I wonder how that would be coped with now, although inflation and wages would make a big contribution, of course.

I do not expect rates to increase before the 2015 general election but I do expect Messrs. Balls-up and Millipeed to make a lot of noise about what the Tories would do to interest rates and mortgage costs if they were re-elected. Of course, if Labour is elected the rate would increase anyway.

R.

Ollerton57

574 posts

208 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Interest rates are controlled by BoE for this purpose though isn't it? Rate rise won't be limited to after the general election - the reason why control moved in the first place.

Elderly

3,738 posts

268 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Simpo Two said:
Tyically they were 7-8%, and the housing market seemed perfectly fine.
Some typical BASE rates:
ETA - apologies for the cr@p quality screen grab.





The housing market was fine because house price inflation was even higher.

People were prepared to borrow expensively for their homes if there was a perceived profit at the end.
The corollary of that is that most people will not borrow (however cheaply)
if at the end there's a perceived loss.

porridge

1,109 posts

174 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Ollerton57 said:
Interest rates are controlled by BoE for this purpose though isn't it? Rate rise won't be limited to after the general election - the reason why control moved in the first place.
The influence of the treasury on the BoE is significant. Interest rates will only rise before the election as a last resort.

ViperDave

5,775 posts

283 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Or maybe they will go up just a little to give savers hope, but not enough to be painful for borrowers. Gets more votes that way. There are a lot of votes out there that dont want low rates

nick s

1,372 posts

247 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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fesuvious said:
My opinion is that it's time to fix, so I've done just that 2.99% for 5 years.
Exactly what I've just done! 2.99% for 5 years! biggrin

ringram

14,702 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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No sure why this is news. They have been doing up since may...
Up from around 1.5 to 2.8 thats about a 50% increase.

So saying they are going up in 2014 is retarded. They have already gone up.




anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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ringram said:
No sure why this is news. They have been doing up since may...
Up from around 1.5 to 2.8 thats about a 50% increase.

So saying they are going up in 2014 is retarded. They have already gone up.



You do know that is a 10yr yield, yes?

PurpleMoonlight

22,362 posts

187 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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The BoE said they would only contemplate a base rate increase when unemployment is down to 7%. This is projected to now happen at the end of 2014. It is not the same as the BBC claiming there will likely be a base rate increase in 2014. There are still to many variables.

aka_kerrly

12,506 posts

240 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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I can't see base rate in the UK being changed in the next year, especially when you consider that the ECB have reduced rates again.

The economy shouldn't revolve around the property market so proclaiming that Britain is fixed simply because a few more people have bought overpriced new builds with a 5% deposit is silly, even talking about putting base rates up will have a negative impact on the mortgage market as lenders can increase the rates on medium/long term fixes overnight.

Timmy35

13,014 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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jonny70 said:
no way they will rise before the next election
yes

Nicely spun/timed announcement though to underline the current Governments economic credentials before the election. The economy is fixed it's official, the BoE says so too.



mx stu

837 posts

253 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Surely we'd also need to see a significant rise in inflation before we see the base rate increase?

Such a hard thing to balance. On the one hand you've got people like my parents who got 'stiffed' with pension returns and are living off the interest generated on their savings (which gives them a comfortable but non-extravagant lifestyle) and who aren't spending to drive inflation up. On the other hand my generation have had to save up large deposits to obtain a 90% mortgage and due to low interest rates are able to spend.

Once interest rates rise will the older generations automatically start spending? Perhaps not. On the other hand when the rates rise my generation will not be able to spend.

If inflation increases above the 2.5% target, maybe closer to 3%, and unemployment falls to below 7% perhaps we'll see one small rate rise to see how it affects matters.

ringram

14,702 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th November 2013
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Flipfloptrader said:
You do know that is a 10yr yield, yes?
Yep which has an effect on swaps which are more directly related to morgages sure..

Its not as if those are not going up either though is it!?