Combined CGT ?
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blade7

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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Hi, when selling a second property that is only in one name is there a CGT benefit in transferring it into joint ownership beforehand, also if one owner hasn't used their full tax allowance for several years can any of that be claimed against CGT ? Thanks.

sumo69

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250 months

Saturday 15th March 2014
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blade7 said:
Hi, when selling a second property that is only in one name is there a CGT benefit in transferring it into joint ownership beforehand, also if one owner hasn't used their full tax allowance for several years can any of that be claimed against CGT ? Thanks.
Who are you thinking of transferring half to?

CGT annual allowance is a "use it or loose it allowance" so no c/fwd of unused relief is available.

David

blade7

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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Thanks for the reply, transfer would be between spouses, from one to both. I understand the CGT is a one off, I was thinking about unused income tax allowance.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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Why do you think that the Income Tax personal allowance would have a bearing?

Nollub

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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IT certainly worked a few years ago, I transferred 50% of a house from my sole name to be jointly owned with my wife immediately before an arm's length sale to a third party. We were then both able to use our individual CGT allowances against our respective halves of the gain and her "cost" for CGT calculation purposes was the same as mine, half of the original cost.

Assuming that the law in this regard has not changed (and I do not recall seeing any changes) there may, therefore, be a benefit depending on the amount of the gain and the potential CGT on that gain. There will be legal costs for the transfer to joint names which needs to be done properly and these costs would need to be taken into account when calculating whether such a transfer would be of financial benefit. Also I can't remember whether there was any stamp duty (which would need to be factored into any calculations) but think not.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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Is the OP talking about CGT or IT?

They are both separate and have their own individual allowances.

From a CGT point of view it is perfectly feasible to have the property in joint names. The important thing is that the transfer of part ownership is done properly with all the necessary legal elements properly carried out.

Alpinestars

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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The planning works from both a CGT and income tax perspective. Depending on what your respective marginal tax rates are, there could be both a CGT benefit (annual exemption which reduces the gain) and income tax benefit (which determines the tax rate at which gains are taxed. Gains are taxed at your marginal tax rate).

blade7

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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Thanks again, it is CGT. Not sure what the house is worth but I estimate CGT would be payable on around £35k before allowances. I thought transferring into joint spouse names was a simple Land Registry matter ?

Edited by blade7 on Saturday 15th March 20:02

Eric Mc

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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Nope.

Eric Mc

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Saturday 15th March 2014
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The filing with the land registry is just one of the tasks that need to be done. You will also need to have the deeds altered and the legal work carried out to ensure proper title is transferred.

If there is a mortgage involved, then the mortgage company will need to be notified and perhaps permission obtained from them too.

Eric Mc

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Sunday 16th March 2014
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I've never done it myself but that sounds a reasonable fee - as long as they do it all correctly.

Jockman

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190 months

Saturday 29th March 2014
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If you were to buy a primary residence in joint names now it would be as TICs. I didn't realise they still offered an alternative confused

Good move to transfer a portion to your wife, even if she is in the 28% bracket like yourself smile

STattam

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247 months

Saturday 31st May 2014
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Conveyance to spouse an option, no cgt between spouses. An absolute declaration of trust would achieve the same with both as absolute beneficiar

blade7

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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Thanks for the reply, I'm looking for the lowest cost and easiest option that wont delay any potential sale.

STattam

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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The trust will be cheapest and simplest/fastest.

blade7

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Saturday 31st May 2014
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Is this something I could do myself or a job for a solicitor/accountant ?

STattam

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247 months

Monday 2nd June 2014
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you may find a precedent via Google, otherwise would be prudent to have one drawn up properly. should be £250 max dependent upon where you are based

MaxFromage

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Tuesday 3rd June 2014
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As no one else has mentioned it yet, it would be inadvisable to make the transfer if the property was already up for sale. HMRC are looking into property sales and individual tax returns.

As you state it is a potential sale and you haven't done anything about it yet, but I would also be wary about making the transfer and immediately putting the property on the market. It could be seen as tax avoidance. Though I would suggest it doesn't take much to satisfy this if HMRC came knocking.

blade7

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Tuesday 3rd June 2014
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I was going to start the title transfer process and put the house on the market. As it would be spouses claiming their individual entitlement to CGT relief would that really look like avoidance ?

MaxFromage

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Tuesday 3rd June 2014
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Yes HMRC could attack it. Personally I would wait until the transfer has taken place