EF Wines - anyone had any dealings?
EF Wines - anyone had any dealings?
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coetzeeh

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2,893 posts

266 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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I have had a few calls from EF Wines wanting mne to invest in their product.

I'm not the type to invest in anything that I know nothing about (except the drinking part) but I am intrigued.

Anyone here had any dealings or experience of EF Wines or the sector

nigelpugh7

6,521 posts

220 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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coetzeeh said:
I have had a few calls from EF Wines wanting mne to invest in their product.

I'm not the type to invest in anything that I know nothing about (except the drinking part) but I am intrigued.

Anyone here had any dealings or experience of EF Wines or the sector
They called me and bugged me for ages!

I think you will find it's the classic boiler room sales tactics.

So I would say avoid at all costs!

jonamv8

3,296 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Boiler Room - they tried me for a while

jonamv8

3,296 posts

196 months

Tuesday 29th April 2014
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Boiler Room - they tried me for a while

LooneyTunes

9,481 posts

188 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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Never heard of EF, but have a read of this site: http://www.investdrinks.org/

Wine investment is unregulated and, unless you know what you're doing, more than a little risky.

Bear in mind that the 2013 vintage in Bordeaux has been a market flop. If anyone is drawing comparisons between this and, say 2000 or 2005 in terms of potential for price increase, then run away.

ETA: in fact, my advice would be to run away anyway!

Edited by LooneyTunes on Wednesday 30th April 06:53

AGK

1,605 posts

185 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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I got a call from these goons too.

"so would you be interested in investing 5-10k or 60-100k?"


coetzeeh

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2,893 posts

266 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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Have to agre with the sentiment above.

When I asked what their strategy was the "broker" suggested it was confidential and could not disclose to me, but he was happy to take £10k off me....

Run Forrest RUN me thinks. Was fun though.

TIGA84

5,606 posts

261 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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Google Dan Snelling.

Should tell you all you need to know.

I used to work with him.

Revisitph

983 posts

217 months

Wednesday 30th April 2014
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TIGA84 said:
Google Dan Snelling.

Should tell you all you need to know.

I used to work with him.
Are you Simon Dempsey?!

I know nothing about EF wines - they may be legit. You could always ask wine investment cold callers whether the wines were stored in the boiler room as you've been told that that's where the fattest profits come from.

When I was on the Rio Tinto share register I'd be called up by people telling me that they were calling "on behalf of Rio Tinto" and offering me the opportunity to invest in another, far smaller mining company I'd not heard of because they had some special ahead-of-market info on a find made by that venture which was about to hit the big time. I'd listen politely for a little while, explain how little I knew about shares and suchlike, but that I was keen to get in on the action and ask them, (since they were clearly experts in investments and shares) what a "boiler room" was.. but they always put the phone down and never explained it to me. Sad, I know, but the time they spent on me was time they couldn't spend trying to scam some 75 year old worried about funding a care home place.

Simpo Two

92,982 posts

295 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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AGK said:
"so would you be interested in investing 5-10k or 60-100k?"
That's a great alternative close. Why didn't I think of that 20 years ago?

If anyone rings up asking for money, think of an 8-foot rat with BO.

gjf764

1,338 posts

205 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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One of their training videos (maybe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhmZSHOCOCw

NSFW

mug81

256 posts

174 months

Thursday 1st May 2014
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I worked very briefly at a Fine Wine "investment" house, and even though I really needed an income I quickly left as the term unethical doesn't even come close. Data sharing between companies, bullying (both clients and staff), shell addresses, all the way through to deliberate malpractice- you name it, it was going on. Steer well clear, I can't emphasise that enough. I have many stories from that brief time.

If anyone is already involved in fine wine, or just wants a point of reference- at least the thread title mentioned and another company, who sounds a lot like non-starter- they all use http://www.frw.co.uk as a pricier, when buying they subtract 15-30% and selling well add a lot and then probably double it.

That site is totally legitimate to my knowledge, and is trade prices along with historical data.

Cheib

25,442 posts

205 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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No offence to anyone involved in the fine wine market but it is incredibly unscrupulous.....people claiming they have bargain prices/reductions/offers when they clearly aren't and also only using third party reviews when it suits them and writing their own less than impartial reviews to sell wine they have in stock.

If in my old job as an investment banker I had behaved as badly as some wine merchants I'd have been struck off years ago. As an example you are specifically forbidden as an investment bank from publishing research that supports any positions you have...something that wine brokers do all the time!

mug81

256 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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Cheib said:
No offence to anyone involved in the fine wine market but it is incredibly unscrupulous.....people claiming they have bargain prices/reductions/offers when they clearly aren't and also only using third party reviews when it suits them and writing their own less than impartial reviews to sell wine they have in stock.

If in my old job as an investment banker I had behaved as badly as some wine merchants I'd have been struck off years ago. As an example you are specifically forbidden as an investment bank from publishing research that supports any positions you have...something that wine brokers do all the time!
Having been both sides of the fence I completely agree. The link I posted earlier can give a real value of anything that people here may own- a real one at that

Simpo Two

92,982 posts

295 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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I suppose one good way to make money out of wines is to open a restaurant. Buy cheap Merlot at £5 and sell the next day at £14!

Of course you may have to cook stuff as well...

LooneyTunes

9,481 posts

188 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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Wine-searcher.com is usually more comprehensive than FRW for pricing (broader range of reference points). There's an app too if you're very sad... getmecoat

mug81

256 posts

174 months

Friday 2nd May 2014
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LooneyTunes said:
Wine-searcher.com is usually more comprehensive than FRW for pricing (broader range of reference points). There's an app too if you're very sad... getmecoat
Good to know, thanks! Like I say, no affiliation with me I just know that EF and at least one other use that for the underlying...

Cheib

25,442 posts

205 months

Saturday 3rd May 2014
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mug81 said:
LooneyTunes said:
Wine-searcher.com is usually more comprehensive than FRW for pricing (broader range of reference points). There's an app too if you're very sad... getmecoat
Good to know, thanks! Like I say, no affiliation with me I just know that EF and at least one other use that for the underlying...
I've bought wine myself from FRW and have got some decent prices from them.....but I always use wine-searcher before buying any wine. FRW do push wine themselves too....as I say I have bought wine from them and was then getting e-mails/phone calls plugging their latest "bargain".