Inheritance tax understanding
Inheritance tax understanding
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andy_vtec

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355 posts

271 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Can someone more familiar than I please check my understanding of the current inheritance tax rules:

Theoretical scenario:

Married Parents
Parent #1 passes away (in 1996 if that matters)
All assets of parent 1 pass to remaining parent and is exempt from inheritance tax.
When parent 2 passes (at current rates) they will have their own an inheritance tax limit of 325K plus an additional limit of 325K for parent #1, giving a total inheritance tax threshold of 650K
Any estate value OVER the 650K will incur inheritance tax at 40% e.g. a 700K estate will incur an inheritance tax bill of 20K (40% of 50K)

Do I have that correct ?

Thanks,


dalenorth

930 posts

197 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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In a word... Yes!


Siscar

6,315 posts

159 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Above 650 it depends on who that is left to, charities and political parties being the main exemptions. So it is possible to leave 650k to family and friends, 1million (or whatever) to you favourite charities and pay no IHT.

pacoryan

671 posts

261 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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And whether the surviving parent made any gifts above allowances in the last 7 years.

Simpo Two

92,974 posts

295 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Yes. It is the only good thing Gordon Brown did (presumably by accident).

Eric Mc

125,784 posts

295 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Simpo Two said:
Yes. It is the only good thing Gordon Brown did (presumably by accident).
The Seven year rule has been around for many years so has nothing to do with Gordon Brown.

Revisitph

983 posts

217 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Eric Mc said:
The Seven year rule has been around for many years so has nothing to do with Gordon Brown.
Didn't he give us the transferable IHT allowance?

Don't forget he also prolonged the life of the Thames barrier by reducing the weight of SE England by 400 tons* when he sold most of our gold reserves... for 2bn - reserves which would have been worth 5-6 times that had we kept them. [*assuming that the gold left the country, rather than staying in the BOE vaults with a sign saying "China" or "Blackrock" on it].

GB's biggest sleight of hand was to take away pension dividend tax credit, with appalling compound effects on people with DC pensions.

Anyway, back to the thread; as EMc could give expert commentary on there are also special rules for IHT to do with farms and their machinery, working forestry, and some businesses as well as some trusts but those may not apply to the OP's case.

Simpo Two

92,974 posts

295 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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Eric Mc said:
Simpo Two said:
Yes. It is the only good thing Gordon Brown did (presumably by accident).
The Seven year rule has been around for many years so has nothing to do with Gordon Brown.
Not the seven year rule, the fact that you have double the IHT allowance if the first deceased left 100% to the spouse. Prior to that you needed a nil rate band discretionary trust.

Siscar

6,315 posts

159 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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GB did keep us out of the euro, whenever I've thought about his many shortcomings I come back to that, it's a big redeeming feature.

VBRJ

6,128 posts

207 months

Friday 23rd May 2014
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So, what car are you going to get when you receive nearly 1m inheritance? wink

Ginge R

4,761 posts

249 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Siscar said:
Above 650 it depends on who that is left to, charities and political parties being the main exemptions. So it is possible to leave 650k to family and friends, 1million (or whatever) to you favourite charities and pay no IHT.
Great points. Although it's probably picking at fine detail, from April 2012 the law changed slightly. If you bequeath more than 10% of your estate to charity, anything left over the nil rate band is taxed, but at 36 and not 40%.

If though, when you die, you havent left assets to a qualifying charity or if the donation in your will doesn't pass the 10% test when you depart this mortal coil, your beneficiaries can arrange an 'Instrument of Variation' to make or increase a donation to charity.

Imagine the fun to be had, telling frail old gramps you'll donate something on his behalf to something you know he hates. If you apply for the Instrument, it means that you get less, but so too does The Treasury - and an approved charity benefits. Which is nice.

If you want to leave a gift to a political party (not all apply), then be careful how you compose your will. The sight of ConLib hoovering up an old lady's estate and then having to return it wasn't last year's most edifying moment.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/articl...

Finally, if you own something of determinable national historic or scientific interest, it *could* be exempt from Inheritance Tax, but the asset has to be made available for the public to view.

Notwithstanding that, this is where you get to find what's been excluded from IHT, thereby allowing you access.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/heritage/lbsearch.htm

IHT is fascinating (honestly). More and more of my work is coming from it now. Woodland and Agricultural legislation has changed; it's always worth taking specialist advice to check that a will remains valid and is worded correctly.

Siscar

6,315 posts

159 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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And then there is business relief....

Ginge R

4,761 posts

249 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Indeed, would you believe there are 88 (88) reliefs available to mitigate IHT alone?

The Office of Tax Simplification identified (in 2011) that 1,042 tax reliefs existed in the UK. It reviewed 155 of them and recommended that 47 should be abolished either because they had expired, there was no longer a policy rationale, the value was negligible or the admin burden outweighed the benefit.

Parliament went one better and did it did in fact, abolish 48 reliefs. But since then, it has introduced 134 new ones. As of December last year, the total number of reliefs stood at 1,128. In other words, more than when we started..

Eric Mc

125,784 posts

295 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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They need Hacker on the case.

Simpo Two

92,974 posts

295 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Eric Mc said:
They need Hacker on the case.
Sadly Hacker rarely got past Appleby...

I think we should burn the entire statute book and start again from scratch.

Revisitph

983 posts

217 months

Saturday 24th May 2014
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Eric Mc said:
They need Hacker on the case.
Humphrey, with a little clarification from Bernard would crystallise it with aplomb. There may be special dispensations pertaining to production of a standardised sausage of course.

andy_vtec

Original Poster:

355 posts

271 months

Tuesday 27th May 2014
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Many thanks for the replies. Very helpful.