From salary to dividend - remortgage?
From salary to dividend - remortgage?
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z4emsee

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121 posts

174 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Shortly (April) I'm moving from being on a salary to receiving quarterly dividends and a small monthly salary. I'm coming to the end of a house renovation and will want to consolidate my mortgage to a fixed rate from a tracker and am wondering what the impact of my change in remuneration will have on my ability to remortgage in the next few months. I've heard that I may need a couple of years of divis before being able to do so. Is this the case?

ClaphamGT3

12,246 posts

273 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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It will depend on a number of variables - for example, the scale of the business paying the dividend and the number of years trading.

As a partner in a well established surveying firm, I am remunerated on the same basis as you and, with a good financial advisor, you should be able to find plenty of lenders who look beyond the 'computer says no' response based on salary alone

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

146 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Easiest way looks like getting it done before your change of employment status.

williaa68

1,540 posts

196 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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I recently fixed my mortgage rate with my existing provider and was astonished at the process now. I was on the phone for almost two hours, despite a 30% loan to value and good income etc. There is at least one professional mortgage adviser on here but my view would be to absolutely do this now.

bearman68

4,941 posts

162 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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I run buy to lets and the mortgage situation seems to be very tight. Abandon all hope type scenarios.

red_slr

20,854 posts

219 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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The only down side to drawing divs is mortgages. Its a real PITA.
I would also agree to do it now - its going to be so much easier.
Even with 2 years accounts its still not easy. If you can do it now, it will probably save you having to pay a broker.

Patch1875

5,063 posts

162 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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We've started the initial process for ours, slightly different as my wife earns the most between us, but they seem to take my 3 years accounts as an average adding up the salary/div.

z4emsee

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121 posts

174 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Claudia Skies said:
Easiest way looks like getting it done before your change of employment status.
The house is being renovated and currently is without kitchens or bathrooms, so I assume a remortgage might be difficult at present? These will be installed but not completely by April...

Problem is that I also want the benefit of a new valuation to get a better ltv and therefore a better deal so will have to wait. I'd love to be able to do it now but it's not looking possible so I just wondered what others experience of divis etc was.

Edited by z4emsee on Sunday 8th February 18:25

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Why not just delay the proposed changes in remuneration?

z4emsee

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121 posts

174 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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desolate said:
Why not just delay the proposed changes in remuneration?
The change is based on a company ownership transaction. This is partially complete and is finalised in April. To delay this would cost a lot in lost divis.

Sarnie

8,373 posts

239 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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z4emsee said:
Shortly (April) I'm moving from being on a salary to receiving quarterly dividends and a small monthly salary. I'm coming to the end of a house renovation and will want to consolidate my mortgage to a fixed rate from a tracker and am wondering what the impact of my change in remuneration will have on my ability to remortgage in the next few months. I've heard that I may need a couple of years of divis before being able to do so. Is this the case?
How much of the business will you own?

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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z4emsee said:
desolate said:
Why not just delay the proposed changes in remuneration?
The change is based on a company ownership transaction. This is partially complete and is finalised in April. To delay this would cost a lot in lost divis.
Just ask to take your share as salary until you remortgage.

z4emsee

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121 posts

174 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Sarnie said:
How much of the business will you own?
25%

z4emsee

Original Poster:

121 posts

174 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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desolate said:
z4emsee said:
desolate said:
Why not just delay the proposed changes in remuneration?
The change is based on a company ownership transaction. This is partially complete and is finalised in April. To delay this would cost a lot in lost divis.
Just ask to take your share as salary until you remortgage.
Didn't realise I could do this? I already receive a smaller divi as I've owned some shares for 12 months now, but only a small shareholding. I've maintained my full salary in this intervening period.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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z4emsee said:
Didn't realise I could do this? I already receive a smaller divi as I've owned some shares for 12 months now, but only a small shareholding. I've maintained my full salary in this intervening period.
You will need to speak to the solicitor handling the transaction, but in theory you can, yes.



Sarnie

8,373 posts

239 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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desolate said:
You will need to speak to the solicitor handling the transaction, but in theory you can, yes.
Not if he owns 25% of the business he won't. The level of % owned of a business dictates whether they treat you as PAYE or Self-Employed.

More than 20% and it's the Self-Employed/SA302/Company Accounts route..........for which most lenders will want 12 months history as an absolute minimum.......

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 8th February 2015
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Sarnie said:
desolate said:
You will need to speak to the solicitor handling the transaction, but in theory you can, yes.
Not if he owns 25% of the business he won't. The level of % owned of a business dictates whether they treat you as PAYE or Self-Employed.

More than 20% and it's the Self-Employed/SA302/Company Accounts route..........for which most lenders will want 12 months history as an absolute minimum.......
You will certainly know what the mortgage people will look for.

It's getting a bit complicated but he could go for a convertible preference share.

z4emsee

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121 posts

174 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Thanks chaps. I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible. My current mortgage is a base rate tracker at 3.75% above base obtained at the time 2 years ago for the low fees and no tie ins due to the renovations we are undertaking. As these will finish soon Im looking for a better deal and a longer fix. Is the bottom line that I will have to wait for a couple of years before doing this due to income changes or could some lenders take a view on mine and my company's circumstances?

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

146 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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TBH it sounds as though you are "stretching" yourself somewhat with this new larger mortgage. I think that this, combined with the changing nature of your income, will not make things any easier.

If your change of status is associated with a "promotion" that might be helpful to you but any profit sharing arrangement will always be seen as containing some risk.

z4emsee

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121 posts

174 months

Monday 9th February 2015
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Claudia Skies said:
TBH it sounds as though you are "stretching" yourself somewhat with this new larger mortgage. I think that this, combined with the changing nature of your income, will not make things any easier.

If your change of status is associated with a "promotion" that might be helpful to you but any profit sharing arrangement will always be seen as containing some risk.
I'm not planning on increasing the mortgage, just going from a tracker to a fixed rate at lower rate.