Can a Ltd company buy stocks ?
Can a Ltd company buy stocks ?
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Stevanos

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700 posts

167 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Was just wondering, let's say I run a Ltd company doing widget sales and manufacturing. Could the Ltd company buy stocks in companies on the stock market somehow?

FredClogs

14,041 posts

191 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Yes, some accountant will be along in a bit to explain the tax implications...

Eric Mc

125,768 posts

295 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Why would it want to?

Ayahuasca

27,584 posts

309 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Why would it want to?
Diversification is one reason. Another is if the company is generating excess cash that it cannot usefully invest in into its own projects. Another is taking advantage of other companies' management teams.

Let me try and think of an example. Oh yes, Berkshire Hathaway (and many others).


Countdown

49,519 posts

226 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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In theory, yes.

In practice most companies with surplus cash will invest it in the money markets so they can draw it down to match anticipated cashflow. Buying shares (for investment purposes) would be strange - unless the company is a fund manager or has specialist experience why not distribute the money to shareholders and let hem decide for themselves how it should be invested.

Stevanos

Original Poster:

700 posts

167 months

Thursday 2nd April 2015
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I'm asking because in theory a business I am connected with wants to grow, the Ltd co is just a vehicle for collecting money basically.

Eric Mc

125,768 posts

295 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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A company is a legal "person" so, by and large, it can do anything a human "person" can do regarding buying and selling things and/or investing.

However, the tax regimes that affect limited companies are different to the tax regimes that affect individuals, so any investment income or gains on such investments will be taxed differently if the investments or gains are being received by a limited company compared to a person.

Investment income (interest, dividends, rent etc) will be taxed at Corporation Tax rates rather then Income Tax rates.

Gains will also be subject to the Corporation Tax rate (20%) rather than the personal Capital Gains Tax rates of 18% or 28%.

However, companies do not get the £11,100 (from 6 April 2015) annual Capital Gains Tax allowance that individuals get.

Also, once a company has received its investment income or its Capital Gain and paid the relevant tax, if the individuals want to extract that income out of the company they will most likely have to pay Income Tax when they do - so there is the potential for double taxation on essentially the same block of money.

db10

291 posts

293 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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Dividends received by UK companies are exempt from tax under normal circumstances - so that answer is not correct

only individuals in the higher or additional income tax rate bracket pay additional tax on a dividend received from a uk company as they carry a tax credit with them.



Eric Mc

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Friday 3rd April 2015
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db10 said:
Dividends received by UK companies are exempt from tax under normal circumstances - so that answer is not correct

only individuals in the higher or additional income tax rate bracket pay additional tax on a dividend received from a uk company as they carry a tax credit with them.
Certain conditions have to be met to obtain these exemptions.

Other non-dividend investment income will be subject to Corporation Tax.

Stevanos

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700 posts

167 months

Friday 3rd April 2015
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Throwing in a curve ball here....

UK registered company that does nothing but make money (not huge) but primary shareholder is domicile outside of the UK.

Ayahuasca

27,584 posts

309 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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The UK ltd company's position is not affected afaik by the domicile of the main shareholder.

Might be interesting for the shareholder to set up an offshore company that can invoice the UK company for services rendered by the non-dom, thus transferring profits into a low tax environment.

But your mileage may vary, objects may be closer, may contain nuts and no liability taken if you end up in clink for tax evasion.

wink




Eric Mc

125,768 posts

295 months

Saturday 4th April 2015
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Stevanos said:
Throwing in a curve ball here....

UK registered company that does nothing but make money (not huge) but primary shareholder is domicile outside of the UK.
Isn't the aim of any business to "make money". What business activity does the company actually do?

db10

291 posts

293 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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Eric Mc said:
Certain conditions have to be met to obtain these exemptions.

Other non-dividend investment income will be subject to Corporation Tax.
Given the nature of the question I rather assumed the company in question was small. Anyway so glad we agree that the div is unlikely to be taxable

DonkeyApple

70,411 posts

199 months

Wednesday 8th April 2015
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From an Ltd perspective there is no reason at all as to why it cannot trade in listed equities.

However, I suggest you look at it from a broker's perspective. The other year saw ESMA bring in a whole draft of trade filing requirements and obligations that now mean many firms just don't bother accepting corporate accounts as it's no longer cost effective.