Ideas - how to profit in the recent market dip?
Ideas - how to profit in the recent market dip?
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Phooey

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13,841 posts

199 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Bit of a dip in the markets = buying opportunities? What funds would you lump some money into to try and benefit from this dip? I feel like doing something adventurous within my ISA idea

jeff m2

2,060 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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contango said:
What's you time frame?

The initial market correction last month was triggered by normalisation of volatility from such a long time spent below the norm.

We have a fed on the move with dot plot averages coming in higher and Trump imposing trade tariffs on China, this crushed the US markets yesterday. It's not actually all about facebook!

The Ftse has it's own concerns with the relative strengthening of sterling, is Brexit actually on?

This and probably next week, is not looking like the time to invest a relatively large sum for short term gain. That is why casino's exist?

If you don't have much of a view, the best option is to average in by investing a regular sum monthly.
There was also a fed int rate adj....
In theory banks stand to benefit as in it increases the interest spread on which banks depend.
But banks were the hardest hit. So once people realise that tariffs only put a dent in trade and nobody has actually shut up shop, then banks should lead the way back.

I agree with the above re how to approach, average in monthly amounts, even if it falls further you will still ultimately benefit.
Opportunities like this don't come around often.

bmwmike

8,722 posts

138 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Or is this the start of a big correction..

BarryGibb

350 posts

177 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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jeff m2 said:
In theory banks stand to benefit as in it increases the interest spread on which banks depend..
In what way?

Phooey

Original Poster:

13,841 posts

199 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Yes, already contributing monthly both to mine and the missus ISAs. Long term (not planning on touching for the next 10 years) in an Adventurous portfolio. With ISA allowances being increased to £20k (£40k / couple) I had the opportunity for some additional "top up" of which I gave my IFA a cheque for the other day - it's this "top up" that I felt like being a bit more Adventurous. As long as the markets stay down for the next week or so (until me cheque is allocated to funds) I suppose I'm already buying in below the recent peaks... My other thought was whether to stick this additional money into "cash" (still within my S+S ISA portfolio) and see if the dip continues. I like a gamble biggrin

xeny

5,484 posts

108 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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Why think this much and pay for an IFA? I can see doing one or the other, both seems excessive.

jeff m2

2,060 posts

181 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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BarryGibb said:
jeff m2 said:
In theory banks stand to benefit as in it increases the interest spread on which banks depend..
In what way?
Variable and new loan rates will increase by larger amounts than deposit rates (interest spread)
Increasing profit margins.

GT03ROB

14,024 posts

251 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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contango said:
I would be slightly cautious of bank stocks as an out right punt.

They have been fairly highly correlated with the recent down turn, price action hasn't capitalised on the "opportunity" of higher rates.

Previously it was true to say banks balance sheets did well with higher rates lend out the curve and cover in the short end. Easy, positive carry/spread trade.

Since the financial crash, one of the huge structural changes is the banks now have less reliance on short term rates as they did previously. This can be seen in recent libor and CP spreads to Ois.

Some banks are due consideration from a value perspective as part of a balanced portfolio, but do you research or ask your Ifa ! rolleyes
Care to translate?rolleyes

mikeiow

8,171 posts

160 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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xeny said:
Why think this much and pay for an IFA? I can see doing one or the other, both seems excessive.
I was kinda wondering that.
OP, what does your IFA recommend you do? You're paying for their advice, it ought to be worth more than a bunch of nameless folk on the internet ;-)

BarryGibb

350 posts

177 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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xeny said:
Why think this much and pay for an IFA? I can see doing one or the other, both seems excessive.
An (good) IFA does so much more than investments.

BarryGibb

350 posts

177 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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jeff m2 said:
BarryGibb said:
jeff m2 said:
In theory banks stand to benefit as in it increases the interest spread on which banks depend..
In what way?
Variable and new loan rates will increase by larger amounts than deposit rates (interest spread)
Increasing profit margins.
Still not clear why you expect this to be the case. Nor why you think banks fund solely from deposits

BarryGibb

350 posts

177 months

Friday 23rd March 2018
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contango said:
Some banks are due consideration from a value perspective as part of a balanced portfolio, but do you research or ask your Ifa ! rolleyes
I'd be surprised if a (good) IFA had an opinion on individual stocks.