Gifting a properly
Gifting a properly
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stuartdenton

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127 posts

235 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Hi l own a buy to let with my wife which we would now like to gift to my daughter. The property is mortgaged with approx £55k of equity in it. Who would we approach to undertake the transfer a Solicitor or a Accountant or possibly both. Any other guidance would be appreciated.
Thanks

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,020 posts

265 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Doh! I was expecting how to give an A in a correct manner.

Sorry.....couldn't resist hehe

Gareth79

9,050 posts

276 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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An important thing to mentioned - will you still be paying the mortgage, or will she attempt to take it on?

stuartdenton

Original Poster:

127 posts

235 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Gareth79 said:
An important thing to mentioned - will you still be paying the mortgage, or will she attempt to take it on?
I can clear the morgage then gift it but she would have to arrange a morgage when it was hers

bompey

628 posts

265 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Won’t this crystallise cap gains tax ?

Sarnie

8,369 posts

239 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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stuartdenton said:
I can clear the morgage then gift it but she would have to arrange a morgage when it was hers
If you are clearing the mortgage and then gifting her the property, why does she need to arrange a mortgage?

Croutons

13,355 posts

196 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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I preferred your self titled thread.

Any mid sized sol will work with an accountant if you don’t have one. An accountant on their own won’t be anywhere near the land reg.

Your daughter will still need to pay stamp, even if paying notionally £0 for the property (or everyone would simply transfer to other people, no one would sell).

Why don’t you call the sol you used to buy it only 5 years ago?

Edited by Croutons on Monday 28th January 21:11

roadsmash

2,667 posts

100 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Sarnie said:
stuartdenton said:
I can clear the morgage then gift it but she would have to arrange a morgage when it was hers
If you are clearing the mortgage and then gifting her the property, why does she need to arrange a mortgage?
Yep really confused. confused

Are you gifting it to her or is she buying it from you?!

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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roadsmash said:
Yep really confused. confused

Are you gifting it to her or is she buying it from you?!
Sounds like he is gifting her the equity. I suppose it depends on the CGT and SDLT situation but it could be worth just giving her the 55k.

roadsmash

2,667 posts

100 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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desolate said:
roadsmash said:
Yep really confused. confused

Are you gifting it to her or is she buying it from you?!
Sounds like he is gifting her the equity. I suppose it depends on the CGT and SDLT situation but it could be worth just giving her the 55k.
He’s talking about clearing the mortgage though?

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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roadsmash said:
He’s talking about clearing the mortgage though?
Maybe I am wrong then.
Wouldn't be the first time

roadsmash

2,667 posts

100 months

Monday 28th January 2019
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Help us out OP.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

274 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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Assuming your child is 18 or over;

Any transfer will be deemed to take place at market value, so you may have a capital gain.

SDLT will be payable on the consideration you receive, sounds like nil if you’re gifting it (without the mortgage).

You’ll have made a gift (PET) for IHT purposes.

You’ll need a solicitor for conveyancing, and maybe an accountant to work out the gain and tax - or ask someone nicely on PH.

NickCQ

5,392 posts

126 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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Alpinestars said:
SDLT will be payable on the consideration you receive, sounds like nil if you’re gifting it (without the mortgage).
This is the bit that isn't clear from the OP's statements.

It sounds like he will clear the mortgage with cash and give the unencumbered property to the recipient, who will raise their own mortgage against it.
However, what does the recipient do with the cash? If she gives it back to OP then this presumably counts as 'consideration' for the property and is eligible for SDLT.

stuartdenton

Original Poster:

127 posts

235 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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Hi sorry for the confusion, as others have said lam really giving her the equity. She and her husband like the idear of having a buy to let so the reason for the proposed transfer. Also the property has a long term tenant so quite hassle free.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

274 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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NickCQ said:
Alpinestars said:
SDLT will be payable on the consideration you receive, sounds like nil if you’re gifting it (without the mortgage).
This is the bit that isn't clear from the OP's statements.

It sounds like he will clear the mortgage with cash and give the unencumbered property to the recipient, who will raise their own mortgage against it.
However, what does the recipient do with the cash? If she gives it back to OP then this presumably counts as 'consideration' for the property and is eligible for SDLT.
That’s consideration going the wrong way. It’s probably another gift.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

274 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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stuartdenton said:
Hi sorry for the confusion, as others have said lam really giving her the equity. She and her husband like the idear of having a buy to let so the reason for the proposed transfer. Also the property has a long term tenant so quite hassle free.
What do you mean by giving her the equity? The property with the mortgage?

Sarnie

8,369 posts

239 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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stuartdenton said:
Hi sorry for the confusion, as others have said lam really giving her the equity. She and her husband like the idear of having a buy to let so the reason for the proposed transfer. Also the property has a long term tenant so quite hassle free.
What needs to happen is that your daughter buys the property from you in the normal way, with your gifting her the equity to form her deposit and raising a mortgage in the normal way, to the amount of the current mortgage.........we do a number of these per year........but you need some professional advice on a few counts here....

NickCQ

5,392 posts

126 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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Alpinestars said:
NickCQ said:
Alpinestars said:
SDLT will be payable on the consideration you receive, sounds like nil if you’re gifting it (without the mortgage).
This is the bit that isn't clear from the OP's statements.

It sounds like he will clear the mortgage with cash and give the unencumbered property to the recipient, who will raise their own mortgage against it.
However, what does the recipient do with the cash? If she gives it back to OP then this presumably counts as 'consideration' for the property and is eligible for SDLT.
That’s consideration going the wrong way. It’s probably another gift.
Cash from recipient of property to giver of property looks like consideration to me?

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

274 months

Tuesday 29th January 2019
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NickCQ said:
Alpinestars said:
NickCQ said:
Alpinestars said:
SDLT will be payable on the consideration you receive, sounds like nil if you’re gifting it (without the mortgage).
This is the bit that isn't clear from the OP's statements.

It sounds like he will clear the mortgage with cash and give the unencumbered property to the recipient, who will raise their own mortgage against it.
However, what does the recipient do with the cash? If she gives it back to OP then this presumably counts as 'consideration' for the property and is eligible for SDLT.
That’s consideration going the wrong way. It’s probably another gift.
Cash from recipient of property to giver of property looks like consideration to me?
“He will clear the mortgage with cash”. He being the person gifting the property.