Financial Advisor Needed
Financial Advisor Needed
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Al Gorithum

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5,251 posts

237 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Can anyone recommend a good FA?

Need planning advice for setting up multi-domiciled businesses.

Thanks

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Al Gorithum said:
Can anyone recommend a good FA?

Need planning advice for setting up multi-domiciled businesses.

Thanks
You might need to explain what you mean by "multi-domiciled"?

You might even need to explain what you mean by "business".

Al Gorithum

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5,251 posts

237 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Thanks Eric.

A dual nationality (UK/EU) citizen engaged in large transactions around the world seeks to establish a corporate structure/s for max efficiency.

Simpo Two

92,709 posts

294 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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I think an FA would probably know FA about it. I'd suggest a good accountant is the thing you need.

Eric, do you know any? biggrin

Al Gorithum

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5,251 posts

237 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Simpo Two said:
I think an FA would probably know FA about it. I'd suggest a good accountant is the thing you need.

Eric, do you know any? biggrin
Thanks. I know plenty of accountants, but none are knowledgable/experienced at the level required.

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Citizenship (dual or otherwise) is of no consequence at all.

Tax residency is the most important factor.

If an individual is tax resident in the UK, then they will be personally liable to Income Tax (and possibly NI) on their earnings.

If they set up a limited company, the company will pay Corporation Tax if the company is tax resident in the UK.

There are detailed and complex rules that set out what is meant by "UK Tax Residence" for both individuals and corporate entities.

Tax domicile is not the same as tax residency. It MIGHT be an issue for an individual. It generally has no relevance for companies.


Brads67

3,199 posts

127 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Your bank will have a business adviser.

Most FA's I've met used to be brickies and pipe fitters.

Al Gorithum

Original Poster:

5,251 posts

237 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Eric Mc said:
Citizenship (dual or otherwise) is of no consequence at all.

Tax residency is the most important factor.

If an individual is tax resident in the UK, then they will be personally liable to Income Tax (and possibly NI) on their earnings.

If they set up a limited company, the company will pay Corporation Tax if the company is tax resident in the UK.

There are detailed and complex rules that set out what is meant by "UK Tax Residence" for both individuals and corporate entities.

Tax domicile is not the same as tax residency. It MIGHT be an issue for an individual. It generally has no relevance for companies.
Thanks Eric. Do you know of an advisor who's capable of setting up a global structure?

arguti

1,867 posts

215 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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IMHO you need one of the big firms or somebody like https://smithandwilliamson.com/en/

not cheap mind but we used them sorting estate related issues across 3 continents, but they were primarily experienced at the UK side so you will probably need local expertise in specific jurisdictions, hence my initial comment re big firms as they are represented all over.

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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No.

You will probably have to talk to someone in one of the larger firms of accountants and they will not be cheap.

Unless the individual is not a UK tax resident and unless the trading entity is also not UK tax resident, there is little scope to shunt money abroad in an effort to avoid tax. Multi-nationals can do this because they are, by definition, "multi-national". Smaller, owner managed entities will pretty much find it impossible to demonstrate to HMRC that the small owner managed entity operated by an individual who is a UK tax resident is NOT tax resident itself.

Creating a mish-mash of offshore companies to bamboozle HMRC and muddy the waters as to where the company is really operating may work - for a while. But if the scheme is unearthed it could get very painful for the proprietor and possibly the advisers too.

Al Gorithum

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5,251 posts

237 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Thanks everyone beer

Will speak to the big firms

Derek Chevalier

4,659 posts

202 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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Brads67 said:
Your bank will have a business adviser.

Most FA's I've met used to be brickies and pipe fitters.
Really?

Derek Chevalier

4,659 posts

202 months

Monday 8th June 2020
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arguti said:
IMHO you need one of the big firms
Agreed

arguti

1,867 posts

215 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Eric Mc said:
No.

You will probably have to talk to someone in one of the larger firms of accountants and they will not be cheap.

Unless the individual is not a UK tax resident and unless the trading entity is also not UK tax resident, there is little scope to shunt money abroad in an effort to avoid tax. Multi-nationals can do this because they are, by definition, "multi-national". Smaller, owner managed entities will pretty much find it impossible to demonstrate to HMRC that the small owner managed entity operated by an individual who is a UK tax resident is NOT tax resident itself.

Creating a mish-mash of offshore companies to bamboozle HMRC and muddy the waters as to where the company is really operating may work - for a while. But if the scheme is unearthed it could get very painful for the proprietor and possibly the advisers too.
Eric I cant see anyone asking to create "mish mash to bamboozle HMRC - there are reasons why someone might want to legally set up offshore entities hence my earlier comments - HMRC will be asking for a lot of information - just answering their questions will cost a lot of professional fees - what he needs is advice from a specialist or big firm to see what the options are and whether it is worth it or not.

JulianPH

10,084 posts

143 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Al Gorithum said:
Can anyone recommend a good FA?

Need planning advice for setting up multi-domiciled businesses.

Thanks
I think you may be confusing things. All businesses are registered in one country alone (be that the UK or the Cayman Islands), though can hold listings on multiple stock exchanges.

If you want to operate across several counties then you can do this through one company, or the one company can be a holding company for other companies (or subsidiaries) registered in multiple other countries.

This enables cross charging between territories, to reduce taxation in the home country of the company in question or the taxation due in the other countries you operate in.








Speculatore

2,003 posts

264 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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I work in the Superyacht industry and as you can imagine we deal in 'Large' sums of money across many countries in different currencies. The best person that I can point you in the direction of is Anita Griffiths at Equiom. AnitaGriffiths@equiomgroup.com

Al Gorithum

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5,251 posts

237 months

Tuesday 9th June 2020
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Thank you very much all beer

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 10th June 2020
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I'm an accountant and not UK tax resident, I have residency rights in a 2 countries outside the EU, income from 3 countries and houses 3 in countries (not the same), so although not big amounts it can get complicated. I use PWC for all tax advice, they have a network. I'm sure Eric will agree that a local accountant in your town will not have detail knowledge of the tax overseas, even PWC use different people for different counties.
I would say get it right from the start trying to correct it latter is very difficult, I've known a few people over the years who have ignored tax issue.

CarPrintGuy

1,531 posts

129 months

Wednesday 10th June 2020
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My dad has been in the game for 40 years and gets consistently great feedback: www.buttercrossfp.co.uk

JulianPH

10,084 posts

143 months

Wednesday 10th June 2020
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Speculatore said:
I work in the Superyacht industry and as you can imagine we deal in 'Large' sums of money across many countries in different currencies. The best person that I can point you in the direction of is Anita Griffiths at Equiom. AnitaGriffiths@equiomgroup.com
David is spot on here. I have had the benefit of her advice and it is excellent and very comprehensive.