Paid tax to wrong HMRC office, does it matter?
Paid tax to wrong HMRC office, does it matter?
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anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Hi all.

I paid my HMRC self assessment tax to the wrong office. I used Cumbernauld instead of Shipley. I used to have the correct account and ref set up in my bank's app so I could make HMRC payments in a matter of seconds, but for some reason my bank have removed HMRC from my presets and replaced it with a list of 101 possible HMRC payment types. I picked the first self assessment tax one I saw and used that as was in a rush. Later noticed there were several self assessment tax offices.

Will HMRC work it out (the payment had my tax ref + letter "K" added at the end for self assessment payments)?

If they don't work it out before Friday will I get a fine?

Many thanks.

essayer

10,410 posts

223 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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I think both work fine, but you can still get through to them on the phone.

The fine is only applied if you don't submit the return - it's just interest gets charged

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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The filing deadline is now end of Feb.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Thanks but my query doesn't relate to the filing of the return, it's the payment of the tax due (£). The BACS I set up was to the Cumbernauld account not the Shipley account. Boith are for self assessment payments, but for some reason some people have to pay to one and others to the other.

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Either is OK. The important thing is making sure you put the correct reference on the payment (the reference is your Self Assessment Reference with the letter "K" at the end).

The filing deadline extension relates to the tax return only. Payments due on 31 January remain due on 31 January. If tax is paid late, interest will be charged.

If the amount payable on 31 January that relates to the 2019/20 liability remains unpaid on 28 February, a 5% surcharge is also payable.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

83 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Many thanks Eric MC.

It's odd why they tell you to pay your BACS to a specific office if it doesn't matter. I did add the K to my tax ref. Many thanks.

PurpleFox

505 posts

114 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Genuinly baffles me why they make it so confusing.... different offices, add a K after the utr, 101 different HMRC payees setup in internet banking. It's a farce.

MaxFromage

2,645 posts

160 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Eric Mc said:
If the amount payable on 31 January that relates to the 2019/20 liability remains unpaid on 28 February, a 5% surcharge is also payable.
It's actually 30 days, so 3rd March smile

Sheepshanks

40,981 posts

148 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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Is this only for large amounts? I just paid mine through the site using a debit card.

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Thursday 28th January 2021
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I presume you are referring to the HMRC site?
If you are, then you will have gone through your own HMRC portal, so it will be obvious to HMRC that it is you who is paying.
If you are paying through your on line bank, you need to make sure you use the correct references.

jmn

1,260 posts

309 months

Friday 29th January 2021
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I nearly got caught out by this. Fortunately I checked and then had to set up different payee details for online banking.

It's a bit disappointing that HMRC did not alert people to the change on the request for payment.

DaveH23

3,355 posts

199 months

Monday 1st February 2021
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Simpo Two said:
The filing deadline is now end of Feb.
Not quite correct.

The late filing penalty/charge has moved to the end of Feb, the deadline is still Jan. You can file late in Feb but will not be fined, it will be on record as a late submission though.

Pistonheader101

2,206 posts

136 months

Tuesday 2nd February 2021
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Eric Mc said:
Either is OK. The important thing is making sure you put the correct reference on the payment (the reference is your Self Assessment Reference with the letter "K" at the end).

The filing deadline extension relates to the tax return only. Payments due on 31 January remain due on 31 January. If tax is paid late, interest will be charged.

If the amount payable on 31 January that relates to the 2019/20 liability remains unpaid on 28 February, a 5% surcharge is also payable.
AH i didn't add K to the end of my reference. Will that come back to bite me in the Ass?

sawman

5,168 posts

259 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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My self assessment calc didnt arrive in the post until yesterday, despite me submitting papers in september. Are they going to sting me for late payment?


Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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Yes.

The taxpayer needs to pay their tax by 31 January whether HMRC has sent you anything regarding your liability or not.

The whole ethos of "Self Assessment" is that the legal responsibility for calculating the tax liability and paying it on time lies with the taxpayer - not HMRC. That's why it's called SELF Assessment.

sawman

5,168 posts

259 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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Eric Mc said:
Yes.

The taxpayer needs to pay their tax by 31 January whether HMRC has sent you anything regarding your liability or not.

The whole ethos of "Self Assessment" is that the legal responsibility for calculating the tax liability and paying it on time lies with the taxpayer - not HMRC. That's why it's called SELF Assessment.
Bah!
System usually works - i get the calc in the post and tax code is adjusted by them (either way) so quite hands off- i guess this year the tax office have had some pressures this year

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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The tax calc (SA302) has no legal bearing whatsoever. In fact, in most cases, HMRC does not issue them.

Before the advent of the Self Assessment system way back in 1995, the old Inland Revenue were legally obliged to issue an actual "Tax Assessment" to each taxpayer who needed to submit tax returns. This tax assessment was the legal document stating the tax liability and giving details as to how and when it should be paid. The assessment came with a payslip attached to allow the taxpayer to make the payment by the due date.

With Self Assessment, the Inland Revenue (later HMRC) stopped issuing actual assessments as they had absolved themselves from the legal obligation to do so.

That now fell squarely on the shoulder of the taxpayer.

As the taxpayer is supposed to be calculating their own liability, HMRC expects the taxpayer to calculate the tax correctly and pay the tax by the due date - without any involvement by HMRC at all.

c_206

77 posts

87 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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Dammittt, i think i forgot to add the k aswell people but going on the hmrc site and my account it has shown up what i have paid etc..

Edited by c_206 on Wednesday 3rd February 12:27

Eric Mc

125,609 posts

294 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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They don't make it easy. It's almost as if they want to catch you out.

c_206

77 posts

87 months

Wednesday 3rd February 2021
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Eric Mc said:
They don't make it easy. It's almost as if they want to catch you out.
got to claw back the money theyve paid out somehow i guess