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AlexDoll said:
I want to invest in agriculture
Good luck with that one.
There are some good videos, which might help you decide whether it is a sensible investment.
Jeremy Clarkson. ....... Bought a 1,000 acre farm. Recent annual net profit £140.
Harry's Farm. .............. Everything you need to know about how Flea Beetles and Pigeons will eat your newly planted crops.
...................................... All that spraying and fertilising. Might as well drop £20 notes on the ground.
Keep in touch, to tell us how you get on.
Simpo Two said:
I'm seeing if I can move the decimal point in my investments one place to the right. It's not much to ask is it? Such a tiny change...
It is possible, but how long have you got ?
As you know, time is the investors friend, never repeatedly switching holdings.
If you do not have BAT in your own portfolio, take a look to see what you make of the business.
It has made a fortune for me, but that of course has nothing to do with future results.
There was over enthusiasm by investors in about 2017, but the fundamentals now are P/E 9 and quarterly dividend yield 7%.
It is a company where on down market days, the share price reassuringly sometimes moves up. I presume people heading for safety when they see worry.
The fire power with cash is impressive, involving huge numbers. They are doing another share buy back exercise at present, this time spending £2billion. Their corporate bonds are interesting. Poor old Aston Martin struggle with debt due in just 4 years, carrying interest rates between 10% and 15%. BAT have some bonds repayable in 2052, fixed at 2.25% interest!
It has been in my holdings for years, and I even bought more at £25 during the Covid crash.
Just a thought, but you study carefully first, don't just follow me, but surely it might be better than agriculture.
Sunshine and wind crops are going to be yielding well now that the misery of Ukraine will be used to accelerate energy self sufficiency. No bad thing, as a small island with a big GDP we should never have taken the gamble to buy in fuel to appease the shouters.
Modest farms that struggle to produce food viably are likely to leap upon the impending relaxations and grants to produce energy of one form or another.
Modest farms that struggle to produce food viably are likely to leap upon the impending relaxations and grants to produce energy of one form or another.
Agriculture has a good market though as produce isn’t discretionary, at all.
No future tech will remove the need for food.
Once we can create food from energy, well worrying about ROI will be increasingly pointless for most.
And low margins are good. It means good competition doesn’t it?
Worry when big investors start to buy up land and remove competition/monopolise, then you’ll get some high profit investment…
No future tech will remove the need for food.
Once we can create food from energy, well worrying about ROI will be increasingly pointless for most.
And low margins are good. It means good competition doesn’t it?
Worry when big investors start to buy up land and remove competition/monopolise, then you’ll get some high profit investment…
Not sure I follow that?
One of the problems with farm land in the U.K. is that it has rocketed in price due to its value as a pension asset. Hence why so many public figures own farms.
The food production element is practically irrelevant as that's just a la annoying sideline, almost pretence, to the real deal that's being done.
One of the problems with farm land in the U.K. is that it has rocketed in price due to its value as a pension asset. Hence why so many public figures own farms.
The food production element is practically irrelevant as that's just a la annoying sideline, almost pretence, to the real deal that's being done.
DonkeyApple said:
Not sure I follow that?
One of the problems with farm land in the U.K. is that it has rocketed in price due to its value as a pension asset. Hence why so many public figures own farms.
The food production element is practically irrelevant as that's just a la annoying sideline, almost pretence, to the real deal that's being done.
One of the problems with farm land in the U.K. is that it has rocketed in price due to its value as a pension asset. Hence why so many public figures own farms.
The food production element is practically irrelevant as that's just a la annoying sideline, almost pretence, to the real deal that's being done.
Is it correct, that a 'working' farm can be passed to the next generation free of IHT.
Attractive opportunity.
DonkeyApple said:
Sunshine and wind crops are going to be yielding well now that the misery of Ukraine will be used to accelerate energy self sufficiency. No bad thing, as a small island with a big GDP we should never have taken the gamble to buy in fuel to appease the shouters.
The shouters IMHO were the eo-warriors who dragged us into sustainables too fast. Those who have the audacity to use gas to heat their houses, and oil to make their vehicles work, are generally the silent majority who just get reamed.Self-sufficiency yes, but you need to make energy affordable and to work reliably when there's no sun or wind. And then we have to make enough electricity to power X million EVs...
Jon39 said:
Is it correct, that a 'working' farm can be passed to the next generation free of IHT.
Attractive opportunity.
The latter being the big Gordon Brown gift that drove the inflation in land values and the appearance of the celebrity 'hobby' farm.
There's also some mechanism for bringing offshore income back via farming land purchases. That was another driver for the media individuals who shoved a lot of their income via offshore vehicles.
There have been all sorts of tricks for tax management based around farmland.
Simpo Two said:
The shouters IMHO were the eo-warriors who dragged us into sustainables too fast. Those who have the audacity to use gas to heat their houses, and oil to make their vehicles work, are generally the silent majority who just get reamed.
Self-sufficiency yes, but you need to make energy affordable and to work reliably when there's no sun or wind. And then we have to make enough electricity to power X million EVs...
I think we all know that schemes don't have to be workable on the big table to be highly profitable on the little table. Self-sufficiency yes, but you need to make energy affordable and to work reliably when there's no sun or wind. And then we have to make enough electricity to power X million EVs...
DonkeyApple said:
Not sure I follow that?
One of the problems with farm land in the U.K. is that it has rocketed in price due to its value as a pension asset. Hence why so many public figures own farms.
The food production element is practically irrelevant as that's just a la annoying sideline, almost pretence, to the real deal that's being done.
I mean low margins mean a healthy market in something like food.One of the problems with farm land in the U.K. is that it has rocketed in price due to its value as a pension asset. Hence why so many public figures own farms.
The food production element is practically irrelevant as that's just a la annoying sideline, almost pretence, to the real deal that's being done.
It’s hard to find big exciting investment opportunities in such a market.
Agree, APR needs tightening up so very rich people don’t just buy farms for IHT avoidance.
Not sure most farms are operating under a pretence.
Maybe if the owner is indeed super rich, but most farmers I know have their wealth in the land and that’s pretty much it.
The farming income is their income.
I’ve never understood the appeal though, for outright tax advantage, as you get 100% business relief on most businesses.
And there are just as many risks with farm businesses as there are others.
So is it just the fact it’s physical land that is finite that is also an appeal?
I often think we’re just a Corbyn or two away from farmland being nationalised any way, so not that appealing an asset.
Jon39 said:
Good luck with that one.
There are some good videos, which might help you decide whether it is a sensible investment.
Jeremy Clarkson. ....... Bought a 1,000 acre farm. Recent annual net profit £140.
Harry's Farm. .............. Everything you need to know about how Flea Beetles and Pigeons will eat your newly planted crops.
...................................... All that spraying and fertilising. Might as well drop £20 notes on the ground.
Keep in touch, to tell us how you get on.
Edited by LooneyTunes on Wednesday 16th March 16:53
bristolracer said:
German arms companies is where you need to be
They have just committed to building the third largest military in the world
Assuming that's third after America and China, do they plan to be bigger than Russia?They have just committed to building the third largest military in the world
I wonder how much will be made in Germany, and how much bought from elsewhere?
I rather liked the 'Two Navies' scheme we used to operate - ie your navy is bigger than the two next biggest navies put together
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