Buying a house before selling current one
Buying a house before selling current one
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Square Leg

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16,064 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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We’ve found a house we’d like to buy but may need to move to buy it pretty quickly.
Currently have about £600k equity in our current house (with £75k outstanding mortgage)
The other house is around £420k and we’d plan on spending £150-200k on it. ( quite a chunk of that spend can come from savings)

Plan was to remortgage current house, buy the other and then pay off the mortgage once we’d sold the current house.
According to Nationwide who we have the mortgage with, this constitutes short term lending which they don’t do.
So I assume the only option is bridging loans?

I’m trying all permutations re financing but sure i must be missing various options.

Anyone able to throw some light onto this predicament please?
Many thanks.

sniff diesel

13,125 posts

241 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Remortgage with a different lender, and don’t tell them you’re intending on paying it off imminently


ChevronB19

9,020 posts

192 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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sniff diesel said:
Remortgage with a different lender, and don’t tell them you’re intending on paying it off imminently
Wouldn’t that open the op to a large redemption penalty?

Square Leg

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16,064 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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sniff diesel said:
Remortgage with a different lender, and don’t tell them you’re intending on paying it off imminently
One thing I had thought of - am I too honest to do that…? : laugh:

Square Leg

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16,064 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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ChevronB19 said:
Wouldn’t that open the op to a large redemption penalty?
I assume it would, but could be costed in if need be.

Sarnie

8,365 posts

238 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Speak to a broker, this is what they are there for!

survivalist

6,124 posts

219 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Buy the new home with a 2 year mortgage with an offset facility. Sell current home and put all the money in the offset account. Pay off the mortgage after the 2 year fix expires.

OutInTheShed

14,392 posts

55 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Depends why you want two houses.
We've twice bought before selling.
First time we were able to pay off one house and port the mortgage to the new house, re-drawing some of what we'd already repaid.
The lender was grumpy about this, but it was what they'd sold us 15 years previously.

Second time, we were offered some quite good deals to mortgage house 2 as a BTL, which would have enabled us to buy house 3 for cash.

The fact that your plans to let out your current house don't quite happen may not concern a BTL lender?

Square Leg

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16,064 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Sarnie said:
Speak to a broker, this is what they are there for!
Ah….

Square Leg

Original Poster:

16,064 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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OutInTheShed said:
Depends why you want two houses.
We've twice bought before selling.
First time we were able to pay off one house and port the mortgage to the new house, re-drawing some of what we'd already repaid.
The lender was grumpy about this, but it was what they'd sold us 15 years previously.

Second time, we were offered some quite good deals to mortgage house 2 as a BTL, which would have enabled us to buy house 3 for cash.

The fact that your plans to let out your current house don't quite happen may not concern a BTL lender?
No letting out the current house - will sell it, the other house will be our only residence.

dmahu

2,717 posts

93 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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You have lots of equity buffer, but it’s a slightly risky time to be doing it. You could be exposed to 2 houses falling in value and your current house taking some time to sell.

Sure it will be fine, but plan for the worst case.

Nothing unethical at all in taking a mortgage and paying it off early if the numbers work.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,000 posts

264 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Don't forget the extra 3% stamp duty for the second home. (Although you can claim it back within a time frame).

....assuming this is still a "thing". hehe

Square Leg

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16,064 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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dmahu said:
You have lots of equity buffer, but it’s a slightly risky time to be doing it. You could be exposed to 2 houses falling in value and your current house taking some time to sell.

Sure it will be fine, but plan for the worst case.

Nothing unethical at all in taking a mortgage and paying it off early if the numbers work.
Yes, certainly a dodgy time to be thinking of it, but a house we want hasn’t come up for sale until now typically!
The next house will be our final one so I’m not overly worried about the price of that going south.
The plan would be to be mortgage free in 4 years anyway, as we would be if we stayed here.

Can reclaim the stamp duty as long as we sell the existing house within 36 months

REM2112

418 posts

220 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Don't forget the extra 3% stamp duty for the second home. (Although you can claim it back within a time frame).

....assuming this is still a "thing". hehe
It is. But I have recently reclaimed this on behalf of my mother (she sold what was the family house, having moved to a smaller flat) and the cash turned up in 2 weeks. Pleasantly surprised.

Skyedriver

23,340 posts

311 months

Thursday 6th October 2022
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Sarnie said:
Speak to a broker, this is what they are there for!
No direct experience personally but there goes the voice of PH

sniff diesel

13,125 posts

241 months

Friday 7th October 2022
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ChevronB19 said:
Wouldn’t that open the op to a large redemption penalty?
Not always, HSBC tracker mortgages had no ERC. Yet the fixed rates did for some reason

Imasurv

541 posts

113 months

Friday 7th October 2022
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Square Leg said:
Plan was to remortgage current house, buy the other and then pay off the mortgage once we’d sold the current house.
According to Nationwide who we have the mortgage with, this constitutes short term lending which they don’t do.
We did exactly this with the Nationwide albeit back in 2013 when we bought our current house. My wife saw her dream house and we had to move fast at the time so didn’t have chance to market ours. I thought the Nationwide wouldn’t even entertain it but they made us a mortgage offer based on us finding £50k for a deposit very quickly and it all went through.

We had two houses for a year as our old one took a while to sell, but we used the equity to do up the new house. Ultimately we were getting a new mortgage on the new place and paying off an old mortgage on the old place, so none of the lending was short term I suppose.

AC43

13,601 posts

237 months

Friday 7th October 2022
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Skyedriver said:
Sarnie said:
Speak to a broker, this is what they are there for!
No direct experience personally but there goes the voice of PH
100%

I've never asked Sarnie to help but plenty on here have.

The broker I've worked with has helped me loads as I've bought and sold a number of properties and had a load of renewals.

With a complex case like this and a tricky market it's a no brainer.