Using profit from business to invest in shares
Using profit from business to invest in shares
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Bloxxcreative

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568 posts

69 months

Sunday 4th December 2022
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Hi all. Being very lazy here, in the nature of knowledge sharing etc though!

I have a small business and with the changes to tax and dividends coming up to reduce the bill, can I use the profit to invest in shares, in turn reducing my Corp tax until any profit is realise and cgt paid etc? Then pay Corp tax on a hopefully higher amount?

OutInTheShed

13,382 posts

50 months

Sunday 4th December 2022
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You make a profit.
You pay corp tax on that.

If you invest the 'profit after tax', (e.g. in shares) it doesn't reduce your corp tax bill.

If you invest in things like machinery, that can be allowed as an expense so can (partly?) come out of pre-tax profit and reduce your corp tax bill.

Bloxxcreative

Original Poster:

568 posts

69 months

Sunday 4th December 2022
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Thanks. I'll keep Corp tax liability aside in that case. Swift reply for a Sunday!

tleefox

1,118 posts

172 months

Sunday 4th December 2022
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You can use entrepreneur’s relief to defer your personal tax liability, but not corporation tax.

Eric Mc

124,996 posts

289 months

Sunday 4th December 2022
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Entrepreneur’s Relief no longer exists. It’s called Business Asset Relief now.

simong800

3,655 posts

131 months

Monday 5th December 2022
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Best way to reduce corp tax is to spend as much as possible in the business.

Maxing out your SIPP and running an EV through the company will have a massive impact......

Al Gorithum

5,006 posts

232 months

Monday 5th December 2022
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If you make a profit on the shares, you'll pay more in Corporation Tax. Both are good things right?

Personally I'd be inclined to entrust Intelligent Money to invst in shares rather than take a chance myself.

Wololo

304 posts

59 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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Careful with investing in shares with your company. I am not a tax accountant (I'm am IFRS/US GAAP financial reporting specialist) so I'm not overly familiar with tax law here, but...

1) buying shares would not be seen as an expense that reduces profits.

2) it's entirely possible that with the company now owning the (presumably exchange traded) shares, you would have to fair value them and pay tax on unrealised gains. I am not sure if uk tax law permits you to defer the tax until you sell the shares, and I am also not sure if whatever accounting standard small companies use these days permits you to hold investments at cost, or requires you to revalue each year.

Seek advice. You're at the confluence of tax law interacting with fair value accounting. This is a tricky place to be.

Bloxxcreative

Original Poster:

568 posts

69 months

Wednesday 7th December 2022
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Wololo said:
Careful with investing in shares with your company. I am not a tax accountant (I'm am IFRS/US GAAP financial reporting specialist) so I'm not overly familiar with tax law here, but...

1) buying shares would not be seen as an expense that reduces profits.

2) it's entirely possible that with the company now owning the (presumably exchange traded) shares, you would have to fair value them and pay tax on unrealised gains. I am not sure if uk tax law permits you to defer the tax until you sell the shares, and I am also not sure if whatever accounting standard small companies use these days permits you to hold investments at cost, or requires you to revalue each year.

Seek advice. You're at the confluence of tax law interacting with fair value accounting. This is a tricky place to be.
Thanks Wololo - it may be the benefit I think I'll get will actually end up at a greater cost. I'll speak to a couple of my accountants.