How to buy second property, primary home owned outright
How to buy second property, primary home owned outright
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Fast Charlie

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36 posts

147 months

Sunday 21st January 2024
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My family own there home outright but are thinking of down sizing and retaining the current property to generate an income by letting it.

The question is what is the best way to go about this? One thing that might influence any advice is that they are of retirement age.

Sarnie

8,326 posts

233 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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You would need to provide a bit more information.

What income do they have?

Are they moving to rented or want to buy a new property to live in?

Do they have funds to do this or need funds out of the current property? smile

Fast Charlie

Original Poster:

36 posts

147 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Income is pension only.

They are looking to purchase the 2nd home to live in.

Deposit would be limited, is it possible to use equity in current home to cover this?

GT03ROB

13,995 posts

245 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Fast Charlie said:
Income is pension only.

They are looking to purchase the 2nd home to live in.

Deposit would be limited, is it possible to use equity in current home to cover this?
Wouldn't they then need 2 mortgages - one to buy the property they will live in then a 2nd BTL mortgage to free equity from the 1st?

Puzzles

3,300 posts

135 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Depending on values.. get a btl mortgage and use the funds to buy the second home.

Do they really want to be a landlord?

Ranger 6

7,575 posts

273 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Sarnie will probably explain better - they'll need a Let to Buy mortgage on the current property for the deposit/purchase.

They will then need a mortgage on the second property, unless the downsizing is to the extent that the re-mortgage amount on the first property is enough to cover the outright purchase of the second.

What's the plan to cover the mortgage payments if they do end up with two mortgages?

GT03ROB

13,995 posts

245 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Puzzles said:
Do they really want to be a landlord?
It's a good question. Seems a lot more hassle all round than its worth.

Sarnie

8,326 posts

233 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Fast Charlie said:
Income is pension only.

They are looking to purchase the 2nd home to live in.

Deposit would be limited, is it possible to use equity in current home to cover this?
They would need a Let-To-Buy mortgage not a Buy-To-Let mortgage (different criteria and regulated differently).

They could lend against the current property's rental value. What that is would then dictate how much could be lent. You would then know if thats enough to buy the 2nd property outright or not.

LooneyTunes

9,080 posts

182 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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GT03ROB said:
Puzzles said:
Do they really want to be a landlord?
It's a good question. Seems a lot more hassle all round than its worth.
Not necessarily more hassle than it’s worth, but the thing they should consider first is whether they are actually happy with the emotional impact of any negative experience as a result of letting what has been their family home.

Don’t forget the extra 3% SDLT, associated with buying a second property, when looking at the economics.

JQ

6,608 posts

203 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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GT03ROB said:
Puzzles said:
Do they really want to be a landlord?
It's a good question. Seems a lot more hassle all round than its worth.
Absolutely this, it's not just case of sitting back and watching the rent roll in. If they have to take out a big enough mortgage to fully fund a new house, how much money are they going to be making after tax?

anonymous-user

78 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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LooneyTunes said:
GT03ROB said:
Puzzles said:
Do they really want to be a landlord?
It's a good question. Seems a lot more hassle all round than its worth.
Not necessarily more hassle than it’s worth, but the thing they should consider first is whether they are actually happy with the emotional impact of any negative experience as a result of letting what has been their family home.

Don’t forget the extra 3% SDLT, associated with buying a second property, when looking at the economics.
As well as the extra 3% SDLT due to owning a second property, they will probably need to put down around a 30% deposit to get a BTL mortgage.

Rates also tend to be higher on a BTL mortgage.

Add in the tax and I would be amazed if they were not losing money each month by buying a BTL property.

If they sold and downsized, how much money would they have left over after stamp duty and all costs? If this is a decent sum it might be more profitable to just stick this in a 1 year fixed interest account and have zero hassle or risk.

Jon39

14,555 posts

167 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Fast Charlie said:
My family own there home outright but are thinking of down sizing and retaining the current property to generate an income by letting it.

The question is what is the best way to go about this? One thing that might influence any advice is that they are of retirement age.

If it were my family (as you say) of retirement age and with only a pension income, I would say you must be mad.

In retirement it is far better not to have any debts. Worry is not good when getting older.
Taxation changes and interest rate rises, have now made BTL a poor investment.
Remember inflation alone might increase property values, but a second home is liable to CGT (now charged on inflationary increases).
Imagine a no rent period, but still having a BTL mortgage to pay.

As Lord Hanson used to say, what downsides are there and how much could we lose?
Many prospective BTLers probably say, how much will we make?
Hope that helps. Lots of careful thinking needed, before diving in.


Puzzles

3,300 posts

135 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Joey Deacon said:
LooneyTunes said:
GT03ROB said:
Puzzles said:
Do they really want to be a landlord?
It's a good question. Seems a lot more hassle all round than its worth.
Not necessarily more hassle than it’s worth, but the thing they should consider first is whether they are actually happy with the emotional impact of any negative experience as a result of letting what has been their family home.

Don’t forget the extra 3% SDLT, associated with buying a second property, when looking at the economics.
As well as the extra 3% SDLT due to owning a second property, they will probably need to put down around a 30% deposit to get a BTL mortgage.

Rates also tend to be higher on a BTL mortgage.

Add in the tax and I would be amazed if they were not losing money each month by buying a BTL property.

If they sold and downsized, how much money would they have left over after stamp duty and all costs? If this is a decent sum it might be more profitable to just stick this in a 1 year fixed interest account and have zero hassle or risk.
Add in the potential for CGT on their own main residence

indigostr

381 posts

150 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Have they considered selling up , investing the cash and renting a property themselves. It’s definitely the route i’ll be taking when the time comes and not necessarily renting in the uk.

Sir Bagalot

6,898 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd January 2024
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Don't under estimate the emotional stress of renting out a home. It's very different to renting out a house.

Factor in Agent fees of say 8% pcm

Factor in a £10K slush fund

With % rates the way they are atm there won't be much profit from a BTL

Downsize by all means and stick the money in a 5% account. They simply don't need the hassle of becoming first time landlords at their age

MarcelM6

589 posts

130 months

Tuesday 23rd January 2024
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Also worth considering how much may need to be spent on the house to bring it up to lettable standard?

Factor in new bathroom and kitchen every 5-7 years and the 'profit' goes fast. Agents fees will vary but suspect the 8% mentioned earlier is 8% plus VAT. In our experience you also need to factor in change of tenant roughtly every 3 years which leads to at least 2 months without rental income as you do some of the maintanence that's hard to do with someone in the property.

Not something I'd want to take on in retirement