Paying self assessment - when to pay?
Paying self assessment - when to pay?
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Some Gump

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13,015 posts

210 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Hi Forum,

Just finished my self assess tax return. There's a bill to be paid by 31 Jan.

Now, the question - am I better off just paying it now, or waiting until nearer Jan?

I don't know if the tax man charges interest or not, and obviously at the moment it's either in the premium bonds (gaining interest), or in my Alfa Romeo fund (which is my interest) smile If tax man charges interest, I'll just pay it now so it's 1 less thing to think about.

Thanks in advance!

Gump

Mr Pointy

12,895 posts

183 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Stick the money in Premium bonds for four months?

Muzzer79

12,721 posts

211 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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There's no interest, as long as you pay by the 31 Jan deadline for previous financial year.

I pay in the last week of January

1. Because the money earns interest in my ISA, rather than HMRC's account

2. Out of sheer principle - they make it difficult for me, so I pay as late as I can.


Ezra

886 posts

51 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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You'll only get charged interest if it's paid after the due date, ie 31st Jan 2025. No point, financially, paying it early. However, as you say, its one less thing to remember so unless its a large amount - I'd pay it. In fact, I did pay it - did mine about 3 weeks ago and just paid it straight away.

dave123456

3,766 posts

171 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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If you are in an overdraft situation I’m pretty sure the HMRC interest rate is cheaper borrowing, or it used to be.

Mammasaid

5,346 posts

121 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Ezra said:
You'll only get charged interest if it's paid after the due date, ie 31st Jan 2025. No point, financially, paying it early. However, as you say, its one less thing to remember so unless its a large amount - I'd pay it. In fact, I did pay it - did mine about 3 weeks ago and just paid it straight away.
Technically, your self assessment has to be submitted by the 31st, you then have 14(?) days to pay any liability.

Some Gump

Original Poster:

13,015 posts

210 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Thanks forum! Much appreciated.

Below pretty much sums up my take on it..

Muzzer79 said:
2. Out of sheer principle - they make it difficult for me, so I pay as late as I can.
...The interest gained from 3.5k for 4 months is almost certainly less than 75 quid, but since the other year when HMRC did me over royally, any "win" over the tax man (however trivial) feels like when you drive off before the traffic warden can get his camera out =)

blueg33

45,145 posts

248 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Muzzer79 said:
There's no interest, as long as you pay by the 31 Jan deadline for previous financial year.

I pay in the last week of January

1. Because the money earns interest in my ISA, rather than HMRC's account

2. Out of sheer principle - they make it difficult for me, so I pay as late as I can.
Same

trickywoo

13,747 posts

254 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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If this is your first time doing self assessment its worth mentioning the payment on account going forward.

If you owe more than £1k they will expect half again at the end of July 2025.

blueg33

45,145 posts

248 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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trickywoo said:
If this is your first time doing self assessment its worth mentioning the payment on account going forward.

If you owe more than £1k they will expect half again at the end of July 2025.

Even on PAYE? I've never had that.

Eric Mc

124,962 posts

289 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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blueg33 said:

Even on PAYE? I've never had that.
It depends how much of your overall tax liability for the tax year is collected through the PAYE system.

Basically, if 80% or over of your tax liability is automatically and correctly paid through PAYE, then, even if your Self Assessment element of the tax liability exceeds £1,000, you don't need to make Payments on Account.

However, there are quite a few people who pay some tax through PAYE but who still need to make Payments on Account.

blueg33

45,145 posts

248 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Eric Mc said:
blueg33 said:

Even on PAYE? I've never had that.
It depends how much of your overall tax liability for the tax year is collected through the PAYE system.

Basically, if 80% or over of your tax liability is automatically and correctly paid through PAYE, then, even if your Self Assessment element of the tax liability exceeds £1,000, you don't need to make Payments on Account.

However, there are quite a few people who pay some tax through PAYE but who still need to make Payments on Account.
Ah that makes sense.

As i am now a contractor outside IR35, will I have to do that? Mainly paid in dividends.

Eric Mc

124,962 posts

289 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Yes.

If the PAYE tax makes up less than 80% of your total tax liability, you will have to make Payments on Account.

There are other reasons why Payments on Account may not be due. The most common "other" reason is that the source of income that gives rise to your Self Assessment tax ceases. For example, your self employment has ceased or you no longer have rental income or (perhaps) you no longer receive dividends.

blueg33

45,145 posts

248 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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Eric Mc said:
Yes.

If the PAYE tax makes up less than 80% of your total tax liability, you will have to make Payments on Account.

There are other reasons why Payments on Account may not be due. The most common "other" reason is that the source of income that gives rise to your Self Assessment tax ceases. For example, your self employment has ceased or you no longer have rental income or (perhaps) you no longer receive dividends.
Ah thats a relief (pun intended) my work is interim and unpredictable, so dividends could be turned off and on. Hmm, if I am due a refund will HMRC pay me on account in advance?.................... wink

Eric Mc

124,962 posts

289 months

Monday 5th August 2024
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No smile