Leaving job, what to do with workplace pension
Leaving job, what to do with workplace pension
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bigandclever

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14,227 posts

262 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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I'm due to leave my job in a couple of weeks and as part of the 'offboarding' process I have been given the phone number of the pension provider "should I wish to contact them". Which presumably I do but I've no idea what to talk to them about.

I've looked at a couple of sites like PensionBee, Aviva, Standard Life and so on, so it seems my options are 1. keep the pension where it is or 2. transfer it to a personal pension of some variety, which I don't currently have. Right now I'm not moving to a new job so there's no 'transfer it to the workplace pension there' option.

What are the questions I need to ask my current provider so I informed enough to make a decision as to whether it's better to leave it as is, or move?

I've got:
fees (current to compare with new provider)
exit / transfer fees from current provider
performance of the current pension given what funds it has

Please treat me like the financial numpty that I am. And to be honest, leave it where it is is what I'm leaning towards.

Spare tyre

12,103 posts

154 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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I’m guessing leave it where it is and see what you end up doing next work wise

Peterpetrole

1,542 posts

21 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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Following as fellow pension numpty here...

fat80b

3,190 posts

245 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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I have moved several pensions and I have left several pensions where they are after leaving employers (i.e. I've done both).

It comes down to a) the fees and b) the fund choices for me.

i.e. if it is with someone like Nest (other rubbish providers also available), then the fees are high and the fund choices poor - it's a no brainer to move it....

but if it is in a more traditional provider with a decent fee structure and access to a wide range of funds, then you might decide to leave it where it is - e.g. I have one with Standard Life that I have never moved because there was a 0.5% discount on the fee rate agreed with the employer at the time which means that it's pretty cheap, and easy to manage. It's done well since I left 10 years ago. I could move it, but haven't as it is OK where it is.

My personal rule of thumb for fees is that they need to be less than 0.4% to be cheap enough to consider leaving it where it is, whereas anything nearer 1% should definitely be moved.

In terms of those moved, (I'm moving one from Aviva (at 1%) right now), then I have moved mine to a Vanguard SIPP and fees here are in the order of 0.2% depending on where it is invested.

alscar

8,284 posts

237 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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I assume this is a DC ( Defined contribution ) Pension as opposed to a DB ( Defined benefits aka Final Salary Scheme aka Gold plated scheme ) ?
One additional thing to ascertain might be is the scheme fully funded ie no shortfalls ?
Assuming it is then leaving it where it is is obviously "easier " but would you happy with this ie with no visible control over it or Is there a portal where you will be able to log on after you have left to keep tabs on it ?
How many years do you intend to see it frozen for before you need to withdraw down on it ?


anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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If my parents experience is anything to go buy the last place I would transfer it to would be Pensionbee.




anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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alscar said:
I assume this is a DC ( Defined contribution ) Pension as opposed to a DB ( Defined benefits aka Final Salary Scheme aka Gold plated scheme ) ?
One additional thing to ascertain might be is the scheme fully funded ie no shortfalls ?
Assuming it is then leaving it where it is is obviously "easier " but would you happy with this ie with no visible control over it or Is there a portal where you will be able to log on after you have left to keep tabs on it ?
How many years do you intend to see it frozen for before you need to withdraw down on it ?
If it's a DC scheme the OP will have his own pot of money so this concept does not apply.

rustyuk

4,707 posts

235 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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I must have transferred maybe 5 pensions from an old employer to my own SIPP. Maybe they have been hidden but I've never noticed being charged a fee when I exit.

My SIPP is on a platform provided by II.co.uk. The fees are low and as a platform it's ok.

fido

18,554 posts

279 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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I rolled up a couple of previous pensions into my current pension plan. On my latest attempt the administrator flagged it as 'amber' as I was transferring from a fee-free pension plan to one with fees. I have decided to leave it as it is. I had already filled in 20 forms and an interview by that stage. Still better to be safe than sorry.

mikeiow

7,906 posts

154 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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OP, you need to share more about where it is now, but more importantly, whether there are any guarantees with it.
Next: what funds is it invested in.
The pension is just the wrapper, and vehicle by which you can draw money out.

Are you actually retiring, or moving to another job?


timbo999

1,510 posts

279 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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As fatbob says, fees are one the key indicators...

I left my last employer 15 years ago and I left my pension in the company fund (which has had a number of providers since) where the agreed fee rate is 0.06% (on the draw down fund, its actually free on the savings part of the plan).

Given the providers normal rate is just under 1%, I reckon I've saved approaching £100k in that time.

Of course, ensuring the fund returns are acceptable is just as important - possible more so if you look at the spread of returns available.

Vanguard seem to have quite low fees - Mrs T's ISA is with them and has done well.

darreni

4,378 posts

294 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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Fees are only one of many factors to consider, not the only one.

timbo999

1,510 posts

279 months

Thursday 14th November 2024
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darreni said:
Fees are only one of many factors to consider, not the only one.
Don't think anyone is saying any different.

bigandclever

Original Poster:

14,227 posts

262 months

Monday 18th November 2024
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Some numbers ...

The fund's inception date is 1 October 2012. Performance inclusive of management fees since inception is average annual return of 8.55%. I joined at the end of 2021 and the intent is to retire at 65ish.
The Fund management Annual Management Charge 0.21% is per annum.
The Total Expense Ratio is 0.23% per annum., which is inclusive of the annual management charge, the Mobius Life platform charge, and additional fund expenses.

Snazzy image from the factsheet ..





I'm going to keep it where it is until such time as I get another job (he says, fingers crossed).

Countdown

47,696 posts

220 months

Monday 18th November 2024
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rustyuk said:
I must have transferred maybe 5 pensions from an old employer to my own SIPP. Maybe they have been hidden but I've never noticed being charged a fee when I exit.

My SIPP is on a platform provided by II.co.uk. The fees are low and as a platform it's ok.
My son has done similar - since leaving uni he's changed jobs a few times and each time he's transferred from the Employer DC scheme into his own vanguard SIPP.