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jakesmith

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9,488 posts

191 months

Sunday 19th October
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I am a very casual armchair investor here and have my SIPP in a small number of funds, 2 are global equity trackers, 1 is a global tech, and some gold. The gold has performed best and my thoughts are, based on what seems to be a potential impendant financial mess in the states, to move some from each of my funds into more gold for now. I am maybe 15 years from retiring. Its all a bit anecdotal but just wondering if anyone was thinking along these lines or not.

Derek Chevalier

4,596 posts

193 months

Monday 20th October
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jakesmith said:
I am a very casual armchair investor here and have my SIPP in a small number of funds, 2 are global equity trackers, 1 is a global tech, and some gold. The gold has performed best and my thoughts are, based on what seems to be a potential impendant financial mess in the states, to move some from each of my funds into more gold for now. I am maybe 15 years from retiring. Its all a bit anecdotal but just wondering if anyone was thinking along these lines or not.
1. Buy this
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smarter-Investing-Simpler...
2. Read it (in particular chapter 14.1 - off menu assets (gold appears between managed futures and structured products)).
3. Post questions on here.



Phooey

13,393 posts

189 months

Monday 20th October
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Yesterdays podcast - wise man Howard Marks on his view of gold - https://youtu.be/lpNjJlWcdGY?t=1375


dingg

4,418 posts

239 months

Monday 20th October
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Golds for nutjobs, because it's done well recently doesn't change that fact.

You're not sufficiently diversified imo, but I'm just a bloke on t'internet

okgo

41,235 posts

218 months

Monday 20th October
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Crazy how many people have gone a bit mad because of ‘ai’ - the media really have whipped up a storm here haven’t they.

Mr Whippy

32,072 posts

261 months

Monday 20th October
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okgo said:
Crazy how many people have gone a bit mad because of ai - the media really have whipped up a storm here haven t they.
I was reading an article on the financial app on my iPhone earlier about Rachel Reeves and property taxes, and they meandered into planning and how AI would be helping them get their 300,000 houses a year over the line.

How exactly I have no idea. Unless they just ask AI to write planning applications.

But the net result will be councils using AI to bullet point another AIs creation, and then it's straight back down to the raw policy, not filibustering bun-fights between AI models, essentially generating loads of extra CO2 and potable drinking water to generate fat fluffy documents that say almost nothing.

A great use of AI for sure hehe

LeoSayer

7,638 posts

264 months

Monday 20th October
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dingg said:
Golds for nutjobs, because it's done well recently doesn't change that fact.

You're not sufficiently diversified imo, but I'm just a bloke on t'internet
Another bloke on the Internet agrees with you.

I own a gold coin because I wanted something shiny but basing my retirement plans on such a non-productive asset seems insane.

asfault

13,410 posts

199 months

Monday 20th October
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jakesmith said:
I am a very casual armchair investor here and have my SIPP in a small number of funds, 2 are global equity trackers, 1 is a global tech, and some gold. The gold has performed best and my thoughts are, based on what seems to be a potential impendant financial mess in the states, to move some from each of my funds into more gold for now. I am maybe 15 years from retiring. Its all a bit anecdotal but just wondering if anyone was thinking along these lines or not.
Old me would have thought yep need to buy gold now.
current me thinks well too late should have bought when no one was talking about it as it gets talked about alot now.

doesnt mean it couldnt go to 5000 6000 more etc but i remember 2014-2018 gold doing nothing and being 1000-1300 range and thinking no point in buying that...


RSTurboPaul

12,634 posts

278 months

Monday 20th October
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LeoSayer said:
dingg said:
Golds for nutjobs, because it's done well recently doesn't change that fact.

You're not sufficiently diversified imo, but I'm just a bloke on t'internet
Another bloke on the Internet agrees with you.

I own a gold coin because I wanted something shiny but basing my retirement plans on such a non-productive asset seems insane.
The BRICS proposals include The Unit settlement currency backed by gold (at 40% IIRC) and central banks have been hoovering physical up (and silver, I believe) recently. Some of the US bankers are now indicating 60:20:20 split is preferable, to include gold.

Are they all 'nutjobs'?

It is interesting that gold/silver has (AIUI) been money for 5000 years or whatever the time period is, but now it is apparently only for conspiracy theorist loons because digital numbers created out of thin air are 'better' / 'normal'.

LeoSayer

7,638 posts

264 months

Monday 20th October
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RSTurboPaul said:
LeoSayer said:
dingg said:
Golds for nutjobs, because it's done well recently doesn't change that fact.

You're not sufficiently diversified imo, but I'm just a bloke on t'internet
Another bloke on the Internet agrees with you.

I own a gold coin because I wanted something shiny but basing my retirement plans on such a non-productive asset seems insane.
The BRICS proposals include The Unit settlement currency backed by gold (at 40% IIRC) and central banks have been hoovering physical up (and silver, I believe) recently. Some of the US bankers are now indicating 60:20:20 split is preferable, to include gold.

Are they all 'nutjobs'?

It is interesting that gold/silver has (AIUI) been money for 5000 years or whatever the time period is, but now it is apparently only for conspiracy theorist loons because digital numbers created out of thin air are 'better' / 'normal'.
I'm not sure how the monetary needs of developing countries, or indeed the opinions of some US bankers can be applied to someone looking to retire in the UK.

Derek Chevalier

4,596 posts

193 months

Monday 20th October
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asfault said:
current me thinks well too late should have bought when no one was talking about it as it gets talked about alot now.
I'm guessing not many were discussing gold at the turn of the century


ChocolateFrog

34,190 posts

193 months

Monday 20th October
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Not an investor as such but this would worry me, just look at it.


NormalWisdom

2,168 posts

179 months

Monday 20th October
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So many factors at play with Gold (BRICS - US revaluation of reserves, BTC etc.)

Back about 5-6 years, I got switched on to gold but, rather than buy the physical stuff, bought some shares for my SIPP in a Gold miner at around 60p. Today they are £10.

I personally think gold has more running in but the miners who had a good business proposition when it was $2000 are very well positioned (most have AISC of c$1000)

RSTurboPaul

12,634 posts

278 months

Monday 20th October
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ChocolateFrog said:
Not an investor as such but this would worry me, just look at it.

And the S&P is all good? lol


Sir Keith Stormer

269 posts

5 months

Monday 20th October
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dingg said:
Golds for nutjobs, because it's done well recently doesn't change that fact.

You're not sufficiently diversified imo, but I'm just a bloke on t'internet
Glad this particular nut job bought quite a bit 15 years ago, I must be bonkers.

Mazinbrum

1,142 posts

198 months

Monday 20th October
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Currently $4356, we shall see, currently glad I’ve got some paper gold in an ETF, could well change though, who knows eh? Those price charts are irrelevant to me as we’ve never had a president destroying the USA before.

sideways sid

1,443 posts

235 months

Monday 20th October
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Not a recommendation, but perhaps consider BOLD

https://cdn.21shares.com/uploads/current-documents...

"100% physically backed by its underlying assets, the 21Shares Bitcoin Gold ETP BOLD combines gold's proven success and Bitcoin's emerging role, as a store of value. By allocating equal risk levels to both assets, BOLD offers a balanced approach for investors seeking to hedge against inflation. Gold has long been recognized for its stability, while Bitcoin, often referred to as 'Digital Gold,' is increasingly seen as a hedge in the transition to a digital economy."

DYOR etc

macron

12,492 posts

186 months

Monday 20th October
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RSTurboPaul said:
And the S&P is all good? lol

The S&P tells you in its name it has 500 chances of doing ok, smoothing out some of the things that might not go so well.

How does that translate to gold, oh oracle?

asfault

13,410 posts

199 months

Monday 20th October
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NormalWisdom said:
So many factors at play with Gold (BRICS - US revaluation of reserves, BTC etc.)

Back about 5-6 years, I got switched on to gold but, rather than buy the physical stuff, bought some shares for my SIPP in a Gold miner at around 60p. Today they are £10.

I personally think gold has more running in but the miners who had a good business proposition when it was $2000 are very well positioned (most have AISC of c$1000)
well i had a couple of nice gold miners as a decent hedge polymetal and centamin.... biglaugh

I think i actually did get out of centamin with a progit but lost a shed load on polymetal

NormalWisdom

2,168 posts

179 months

Tuesday 21st October
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asfault said:
well i had a couple of nice gold miners as a decent hedge polymetal and centamin.... biglaugh

I think i actually did get out of centamin with a progit but lost a shed load on polymetal
Altyn Gold was mine

Interesting article this morning

https://citywire.com/new-model-adviser/news/top-20...