What's a fair accountancy cost for an SPV Ltd?
What's a fair accountancy cost for an SPV Ltd?
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Ken Figenus

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6,009 posts

141 months

Tuesday 20th January
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I created an spv Ltd to manage a new property. I'd do the companies house and vat admin via mtd for it. Just one rental in per month and a few costs for returns - simple stuff. Fell off the chair at his quote to add this to what he already does for a proper trading Ltd and 2 personal taxes for us.

What do you pay or what would be a fair cost as this is a make or break time.

Thx

jgrewal

1,010 posts

71 months

Wednesday 21st January
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i am paying £600 a year for this - not sure good or bad but very basic service.

alscar

8,188 posts

237 months

Wednesday 21st January
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Can’t help on the question as such but my accountants doubled our costs for doing both of our SA returns this year citing far more workload and compliance caused by HMRC.
As the new figure wasn’t too out of line with what others wanted I stayed with them and assumed that they weren’t just spinning me a line.

Abc321

1,013 posts

119 months

Wednesday 21st January
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If it is a very simple ltd co with no personal SA, and you intend to do the VAT and CoHo stuff yourself. Simply preparing and submitting accounts - I would quote circa £350-400 for it.

(Small accountancy firm in Yorkshire for reference).

Agreed the above comment that red tape is getting ridiculous though from HMRC.

rhlshrm2430

19 posts

5 months

Thursday 22nd January
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Honestly for one property it shouldn’t be crazy money; I’d ask what’s actually included or shop around, some accountants seriously overprice SPVs because they can.

Eric Mc

124,906 posts

289 months

Thursday 22nd January
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Abc321 said:
If it is a very simple ltd co with no personal SA, and you intend to do the VAT and CoHo stuff yourself. Simply preparing and submitting accounts - I would quote circa £350-400 for it.

(Small accountancy firm in Yorkshire for reference).

Agreed the above comment that red tape is getting ridiculous though from HMRC.
Also, there are some special aspects of dealing with property/flat management companies which make them a bit different to a more normal "trading" company i.e. they are a bit specialist.

Panamax

8,365 posts

58 months

Thursday 22nd January
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A year's accounting for the price of a main dealer oil change looks remarkable value to me!

Countdown

47,554 posts

220 months

Thursday 22nd January
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Panamax said:
A year's accounting for the price of a main dealer oil change looks remarkable value to me!
Isn't it more like a couple of hours' worth of work?

MaxFromage

2,591 posts

155 months

Thursday 22nd January
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Countdown said:
Isn't it more like a couple of hours' worth of work?
That would be lovely, but quite far from the truth.

Small/one-man band accountants can charge sub £400, but anyone with a decent number of staff, premises etc simply can't charge that. The figures don't stack up with the ongoing compliance, software costs, paying staff good wages etc.

Doing the work can vary so much on jobs like this. One client could be on the phone every week asking you various questions about their mate down the pub and others send you a lovely file allowing you to submit it efficiently and make sure they are being efficient in all aspect of the business.

Personally the price for a new client would be £600 to £1K plus VAT depending on the circumstances due to how much they can vary. For people I already work for, it could be a bit more or less.

Ken Figenus

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6,009 posts

141 months

Thursday 22nd January
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Reasonable. I present stuff well and using pay forever Xero to make everyone else's life easier since ditching bags of receprs but paying more for SaSS costs. I only see them once a year with maybe 2 or 3 emails in between.

I got him down from 180 a month to 150 'as an existing client' . I fully conclude he is no longer fair or wants to retain my current business of about £2500 pa.

Thanks for the replies.

Pitch me by DM as damage is done here and trust lost.

Edited by Ken Figenus on Thursday 22 January 19:59

scot_aln

687 posts

223 months

Thursday 22nd January
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Had same a couple of years ago when my accountant of 20 years merged with much larger group. Rate doubled and due to long term relationship I stayed. Then at end of FY to 'align with their corporate fee structure' they tried to double again. I switched 4 weeks later.

Ken Figenus

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6,009 posts

141 months

Friday 23rd January
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Similar here - omg the lovely new offices! No beef - their business and their choices. Obvs going higher end than me...

Panamax

8,365 posts

58 months

Friday 23rd January
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Ken Figenus said:
I got him down from 180 a month to 150 'as an existing client' . I fully conclude he is no longer fair or wants to retain my current business of about £2500 pa.
Do you use the accountant monthly, quarterly or once a year?

150 x 12 = 1,800 What's the other £700?

Sarnie

8,317 posts

233 months

Friday 23rd January
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Panamax said:
Ken Figenus said:
I got him down from 180 a month to 150 'as an existing client' . I fully conclude he is no longer fair or wants to retain my current business of about £2500 pa.
Do you use the accountant monthly, quarterly or once a year?

150 x 12 = 1,800 What's the other £700?
"Fell off the chair at his quote to add this to what he already does for a proper trading Ltd and 2 personal taxes for us"

Ken Figenus

Original Poster:

6,009 posts

141 months

Friday 23rd January
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Exactly. Just adding a baby spv Ltd to the annual return requirement.

AB

19,667 posts

219 months

Friday 23rd January
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I pay £600, 2x monthly rentals in and very little apart from insurance and management fee out.

Done by the same firm who manage my other businesses. I think it's on the steep side a little but it's easier to keep it done by them.

zedstar

1,776 posts

200 months

Sunday 25th January
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We do quite a few them, £500+VAT is the going rate but like others have alluded to the level of client interaction is the unknown variable.