Copper pipe 21.68mm?
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Huntsman

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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We have a house built in 1960, most of the plumbing is original, the copper pipe seems to be slightly smaller than 22mm, I just measured one bit, its 21.68mm. Is it imperial? it doesn't correspond to an imperial size according to my Zeus book.

In two instance now a plastic push on 22mm end stop has failed and starts dripping.

The first one I put a compression fitting on and wound it up, its been fine.

I'm about to do the second.

I'd ideally like to find the correct fitting? But I suspect I'll end up using 22mm?

Its under the bath in a tricky corner and I have an arm in plaster....they'll be some swearing!

dirkgently

2,160 posts

251 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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You can buy imperial olives but a 22mm wound on usually does the trick.(don't think i`d trust it on high pressure though.)

Gingerbread Man

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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Sounds like it's 3/4" you've come across. You can get straight coupler converters to get to 22mm. Or 3/4" olives for compression fittings.

15mm, 1/2" is roughly the same, just a little tight to put fittings on.

28mm and 1" you'll have issues with as well.

Huntsman

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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I have just wound a 22mm on, seems to be ok.

But its not 3/4, that would be about 19.2mm, so what size is it?


Arthur Jackson

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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Huntsman said:
I have just wound a 22mm on, seems to be ok.

But its not 3/4, that would be about 19.2mm, so what size is it?
If it's not 22mm it's 3/4". No other option.

Marty63

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194 months

Sunday 13th November 2011
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Use PTFE tape to take up slack

Gingerbread Man

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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OD of 3/4" pipe is about 21.5mm

Huntsman

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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Gingerbread Man said:
OD of 3/4" pipe is about 21.5mm
Ah, that explains it.

Thanks.

King Herald

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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Huntsman said:
I have just wound a 22mm on, seems to be ok.

But its not 3/4, that would be about 19.2mm, so what size is it?
'Pipe' is measured on the inside, whereas 'tube' is measured on the outside. over the ages people have messed with this fundamental and confused the whole issue.

We have moved from imperial pipe to metric tube, with all the attendant issues, especially when older buildings are involved.


Simpo Two

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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Gingerbread Man said:
OD of 3/4" pipe is about 21.5mm
I thought that at the outset, but did '2.54 x 0.75' and got 19.05mm, well off the 21.68 quoted.

But if it's an ID/OD issue then it does allow for 1.315mm wall smile

Lotus Notes

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Sunday 13th November 2011
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Wikipedia is your friend..




Rickyy

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239 months

Monday 14th November 2011
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I gave up trying to work out the logic in Imperial to Metric pipe measurements when I was training and just accepted that 1/2 inch is 15mm, 3/4 is 22mm and inch is 28mm.

But it does sound like the OP has discovered 3/4 inch pipe. A plumbers worst nightmare to discover after you've just cut into it and realise you have no adapters or olives!

mk1fan

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245 months

Monday 14th November 2011
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Slap on the Boss White or plumbers mate. It'll be fine in a compression fitting.

Arthur Jackson

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Monday 14th November 2011
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mk1fan said:
Slap on the Boss White or plumbers mate.
You're not serious, surely?

B17NNS

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267 months

Monday 14th November 2011
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22mm to 3/4" couplers are your friend.

Huntsman

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Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Lotus Notes said:
Wikipedia is your friend..

Its all fixed and dry.

Indeed boss white is great stuff.

According to the above table, 3/4 inch isn't what I have....

mk1fan

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Tuesday 15th November 2011
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Arthur Jackson said:
ou're not serious, surely?
I've only used Boss White and thought Plumbers Mate was an alternative brand. Is it not? What does it do? Can it really bring peace to the Middle East?

Huntsman

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Tuesday 15th November 2011
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King Herald said:
'Pipe' is measured on the inside, whereas 'tube' is measured on the outside. over the ages people have messed with this fundamental and confused the whole issue.
According to Wikipedia (cough), metric copper pipe is measured by OD, ie 15mm, imperial pipe is measured by ID, ie 3/4 inch.

1/2inch and 15mm are very nearly the same OD, to the extent that fitting can be used on either size.

3/4inch and 22mm have a bigger size difference, 22mm compression fittings on a 3/4inch pipe will be fine, but in my experience a 22mm push fit on a 3/4 pipe wont be fine.

The pipe sizes shown on the wiki table refer to american specs where the wall thickness, and hence OD is defferent to european.

I'm developing pipe size OCD.....

Ferg

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Tuesday 15th November 2011
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mk1fan said:
I've only used Boss White and thought Plumbers Mate was an alternative brand. Is it not? What does it do? Can it really bring peace to the Middle East?
Plumbers Mait is a non-setting putty for bedding wastes into sanitaryware etc.

mk1fan

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Tuesday 15th November 2011
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But can it bring peace to the Middle East?