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Can we make it against the rules to use the word Engineer, when decribing someone talented enough to diagnose and fix domestic appliances.
I'm not saying it's an easy job and that some aren't extremely good, but at the end of the day they are technicians, and not engineers.
Engineers are the one's that f
ked up the design in the first place so that it fails in normal operation, or screwed up the assembly line, so that the parts are fitted incorrectly.
Can we make it against the rules to use the word Engineer, when decribing someone talented enough to diagnose and fix domestic appliances.
I'm not saying it's an easy job and that some aren't extremely good, but at the end of the day they are technicians, and not engineers.
Engineers are the one's that f
ked up the design in the first place so that it fails in normal operation, or screwed up the assembly line, so that the parts are fitted incorrectly. Traditionally, engineers are also the ones who have spent years at university gaining a credible degree before graduating and really starting to learn how to be an engineer.
or alternatively they start on the tools as a technician and complete a degree part time while working as a junior engineer.
Yes I agree the term engineer is overused and under appreciated, but I've seen this subject so many times on PH its been done to death.
or alternatively they start on the tools as a technician and complete a degree part time while working as a junior engineer.
Yes I agree the term engineer is overused and under appreciated, but I've seen this subject so many times on PH its been done to death.
This is what it says in the dictionary.
engineer (ˌɛndʒɪˈnɪə)
—n
1. a person trained in any branch of the profession of engineering
2. the originator or manager of a situation, system, etc
3. a mechanic; person who repairs or services machines
4. (US), (Canadian) the driver of a railway locomotive
5. an officer responsible for a ship's engines
6. Informal name: sapper a member of the armed forces, esp the army, trained in engineering and construction work
—vb
7. to originate, cause, or plan in a clever or devious manner: he engineered the minister's downfall
8. to design, plan, or construct as a professional engineer
[C14: enginer, from Old French engigneor, from engignier to contrive, ultimately from Latin ingenium skill, talent; see engine]
engineer (ˌɛndʒɪˈnɪə)
—n
1. a person trained in any branch of the profession of engineering
2. the originator or manager of a situation, system, etc
3. a mechanic; person who repairs or services machines
4. (US), (Canadian) the driver of a railway locomotive
5. an officer responsible for a ship's engines
6. Informal name: sapper a member of the armed forces, esp the army, trained in engineering and construction work
—vb
7. to originate, cause, or plan in a clever or devious manner: he engineered the minister's downfall
8. to design, plan, or construct as a professional engineer
[C14: enginer, from Old French engigneor, from engignier to contrive, ultimately from Latin ingenium skill, talent; see engine]
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Can we make it against the rules to use the word Engineer, when decribing someone talented enough to diagnose and fix domestic appliances.
I'm not saying it's an easy job and that some aren't extremely good, but at the end of the day they are technicians, and not engineers.
Engineers are the one's that fked up the design in the first place so that it fails in normal operation, or screwed up the assembly line, so that the parts are fitted incorrectly.
No, Look up enginner in the dictionary. People who fix things are Engineers. Nowhere does it say that to design something makes you an Engineer.Can we make it against the rules to use the word Engineer, when decribing someone talented enough to diagnose and fix domestic appliances.
I'm not saying it's an easy job and that some aren't extremely good, but at the end of the day they are technicians, and not engineers.
Engineers are the one's that f
ked up the design in the first place so that it fails in normal operation, or screwed up the assembly line, so that the parts are fitted incorrectly. Pete102 said:
Traditionally, engineers are also the ones who have spent years at university gaining a credible degree before graduating and really starting to learn how to be an engineer.
or alternatively they start on the tools as a technician and complete a degree part time while working as a junior engineer.
Yes I agree the term engineer is overused and under appreciated, but I've seen this subject so many times on PH its been done to death.
Even if you are talking about CEng then there is no requirement for a degree, and if you want to talk "traditionally" then they were less likely to have a degree (IKB, Stephenson etc) . Recently they are more likely to take this route, but its not exclusive. I do believe it will become the the norm though, and probably the only accepted way to CEng status.or alternatively they start on the tools as a technician and complete a degree part time while working as a junior engineer.
Yes I agree the term engineer is overused and under appreciated, but I've seen this subject so many times on PH its been done to death.
I agree the subject has been done to death, but never with any conclusion. So people will always argure the point from snobbery, and will never accept what it says in the dictionary regaring the word, or what the institutes will accept for CEng status (no Degree needed).
....from an ex-Engineer, and son of a CEng (Mech and Elec), neither of who have a degree, nor need one (I did do full 4 years of full time 9-5 engineeing training/qualifications though)
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 28th June 08:30
98elise said:
Pete102 said:
Traditionally, engineers are also the ones who have spent years at university gaining a credible degree before graduating and really starting to learn how to be an engineer.
or alternatively they start on the tools as a technician and complete a degree part time while working as a junior engineer.
Yes I agree the term engineer is overused and under appreciated, but I've seen this subject so many times on PH its been done to death.
Even if you are talking about CEng then there is no requirement for a degree, and if you want to talk "traditionally" then they were less likely to have a degree (IKB, Stephenson etc) . Recently they are more likely to take this route, but its not exclusive. I do believe it will become the the norm though, and probably the only accepted way to CEng status.or alternatively they start on the tools as a technician and complete a degree part time while working as a junior engineer.
Yes I agree the term engineer is overused and under appreciated, but I've seen this subject so many times on PH its been done to death.
I agree the subject has been done to death, but never with any conclusion. So people will always argure the point from snobbery, and will never accept what it says in the dictionary regaring the word, or what the institutes will accept for CEng status (no Degree needed).
....from an ex-Engineer, and son of a CEng (Mech and Elec), neither of who have a degree, nor need one (I did do full 4 years of full time 9-5 engineeing training/qualifications though)
Edited by 98elise on Thursday 28th June 08:30
In those days a "theoretical engineer" was as useful as a chocolate fireguard.
'Engineer' has so many different meanings throughout the world that it will always be possible that a forum user will think that the term is used incorrectly.
Personally, I don't 'like it' whent people refer to themselve as a Professional when there are only a limited number of Professions and their job isn't one of them. However, if that's the worse thing that happens in the world today then it's been a very good day!
Personally, I don't 'like it' whent people refer to themselve as a Professional when there are only a limited number of Professions and their job isn't one of them. However, if that's the worse thing that happens in the world today then it's been a very good day!
Earthboundmisfit said:
Have just spoken to my Engineering Director and told him that i must resign from my current post as someone on the internet who is feeling insecure about themselves has told me that i cant be an engineer.
If you were a proper Engineer it would say so on your profile. 
No need to resign just get your boss to give you a new title and a pay cut! Sorted - now get on with your work Junior.If we are playing this game can we please start to see differentiations between Solicitor specialising in Commercial and Residential Property matters from Licensed Conveyancer/Legal Execs rather than all being referred to as Conveyancers or Lawyers which gives no clue as to the level of training each has received.
We could also do with differentiating between mechanics and part fitters whilst we are at it...
We could also do with differentiating between mechanics and part fitters whilst we are at it...
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