Garage underpinning?
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Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

228 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Have bought a designing (cheap) laptop package and have been playing around with countless extension options for our house.


One area which I'm focusing on now is the garage I'm intending on doing 1.5 times the usual width of a standard single (don't hae exact measurements to hand but the idea being that in one side I could house tools and stuff. But then I thought about what if I created a room under the garage the idea being that I could store two cars double decker if you like and a lift system which would raise the car beneath to ground floor level which could then be used to drive out. Clearly it couldn't be used to life if ground floor garage was occupied.

It may be that the underpinning simply stays as an unused space or cinema room. But kind of interested if its a viable option or purely an idea to kick into touch.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Do you know what underpinning is?

Sounds more like you're looking to build a garage with a basement?

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

49,633 posts

228 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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B17NNS said:
Do you know what underpinning is?

Sounds more like you're looking to build a garage with a basement?
That's correct garage with a basement.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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New build or you want to add a basement to existing?

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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I suspect that anything that needs planning permission or regs compliance will struggle with a secret underground lair!

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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My preference would be a secret room where ninjas are being trained.

MrCrazy

1,130 posts

197 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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B17NNS said:
Do you know what underpinning is?

Sounds more like you're looking to build a garage with a basement?
Imagine the footings of your house were sinking, in other words your house was moving......underpinning would be done to shore up the footings from underneath.



Welshbeef

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228 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Would demolish existing garage to make it bigger and integrated rather than detached (plus extended kitchen, plus wet room inbetween and two extra first floor bedrooms).


B17NNS

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277 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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If attached you'd need to underpin the house. Major ball ache.

No way you can keep it detached?

Welshbeef

Original Poster:

49,633 posts

228 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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B17NNS said:
If attached you'd need to underpin the house. Major ball ache.

No way you can keep it detached?
No has to be integrated else 2 storey cannot happen - garage is about 2.5 meters away from the house currently and 1 meter from the boundary. Idea being to try to increase it min 2.5m width and maybe up to 3.5m.

Seems so far it doesn't pass the sniff test of viability unless pockets are bottemless

MrCrazy

1,130 posts

197 months

Saturday 29th December 2012
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Methinks you need an architect. Job done.....

mikeplayer

186 posts

178 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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An architect can do this yes but why use one? Over priced and talk bullst, find yourself an architectural technician and they can do all that is needed for a job like this.

I work in a architectural drawing office and I know 100% the guy I'm learning from can do this.

smile

Cheers

Mike

kambites

71,550 posts

251 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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B17NNS said:
If attached you'd need to underpin the house. Major ball ache.

No way you can keep it detached?
Depends on the existing foundations and ground levels. We've just attached our previously detached garage onto our house and stuck rooms over the top without underpinning.

IIRC I paid the architect and structural engineer a little over £1000 combined.

Here's ours if you're interested: http://www.eastleigh.gov.uk/fastweb/detail.asp?Alt...


As I understand it, adding a basement would have made the foundations VERY much more complicated.

Edited by kambites on Sunday 30th December 00:51

B17NNS

18,506 posts

277 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Yes but you didn't dig a garage sized hole next to the foundations of your house did you.

kambites

71,550 posts

251 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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B17NNS said:
Yes but you didn't dig a garage sized hole next to the foundations of your house did you.
Indeed. Hence the comment that adding any kind of cellar would make it considerably more complicated.

anonymous-user

84 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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MrCrazy said:
Methinks you need an architect. Job done.....
This you need to talk to someone who knows wha they are talking about! Sounds like you are talking abut a significant development

Megaflow

11,548 posts

255 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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So, just to clarify, you have:

1) a garage which is attached to your current house
2) you want to demolish this
3) and rebuild a new garage with a basement underneath it?

If the above is correct, then you won't have to underpin the garage because to achieve a basement the same size as the garage the hole dug will be quite a size bigger than the existing foundations, so they will be lost during excavation. You will most likely have to underpin the house as it is very likely you will be going deeper than the exsiting foundations.

This is a very expensive way of getting a cinema room because of all of the excavation, reinforced walls, tanking, etc. It would be much cheaper to put the cinema room in the roof of the new build, you'll be needing new roof trusses and a roof anyway, so the incremental cost for putting a room in there will be minimal.

inman999

34,954 posts

203 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Why is this in GG


Liquid Tuna

1,403 posts

186 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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I had a similar idea to the OP, although mine was to be an above ground outbuilding away from the house with a basement room below it that would double up as a bunker for when the UK gets nuked. In principle it seems quite doable, taking into account the reinforced roof/floor and any damp proofing and keeping water out etc. I stopped when I looked at the sheer amount of earth to be excavated etc. though.

Spudler

3,985 posts

226 months

Sunday 30th December 2012
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Welshbeef said:
an idea to kick into touch.
This.
It's a non starter.