Wiring Question; Crossing the Streams...
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Happy New Year all.
I'm in the process of planning a new kitchen in a project we're living in at the moment and have a question about whether wires can be crossed.
The current wiring has a horizontal run between 2 sockets on a wall. Our plans for the kitchen have the (electric) oven and (gas) hob against this wall and the most direct route for the cooker supply would be to come straight down the wall and cross the ring main at 90 degrees before terminating in a cooker switch.
Wire has just been hung in place for mock up. The wall will be plasterboarded once the wiring is completed and has had been put in place.
Can the cables be run this way?
Ta,
Al
I'm in the process of planning a new kitchen in a project we're living in at the moment and have a question about whether wires can be crossed.
The current wiring has a horizontal run between 2 sockets on a wall. Our plans for the kitchen have the (electric) oven and (gas) hob against this wall and the most direct route for the cooker supply would be to come straight down the wall and cross the ring main at 90 degrees before terminating in a cooker switch.
Wire has just been hung in place for mock up. The wall will be plasterboarded once the wiring is completed and has had been put in place.
Can the cables be run this way?
Ta,
Al
Believe so:
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Has to run horizontally or vertically from the aocket so I would say you don't have much choice.
Just be careful with the cooker hood - don't drill thru any of the cables!
http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/electrical-for...
Has to run horizontally or vertically from the aocket so I would say you don't have much choice.
Just be careful with the cooker hood - don't drill thru any of the cables!
Although I can't see anything wrong with it technically, none of that wiring looks like a particularly high standard of workmanship. I know its all going to be covered up, but you wouldn't want someone having that same attitude when building the foundations for your house.
Take it out and chase it all in vertically, using oval conduit. Most decent sparks I know only chase cables horizontally as a last resort.
Take it out and chase it all in vertically, using oval conduit. Most decent sparks I know only chase cables horizontally as a last resort.
The existing wiring on display is some of the better examples found so far with the plaster and render removed 
. Live bare wires buried in plaster is the highlight so far, the house is only 40 years old and victim to some lovely bodges already!
Thanks for the responses, I was hoping it'd be ok, very good point regarding the cooker hood though! A genuine query, what is the benefit of chasing in oval conduit over clipping the cable to the wall using the channel conduit that's in place?
Al
. Live bare wires buried in plaster is the highlight so far, the house is only 40 years old and victim to some lovely bodges already!Thanks for the responses, I was hoping it'd be ok, very good point regarding the cooker hood though! A genuine query, what is the benefit of chasing in oval conduit over clipping the cable to the wall using the channel conduit that's in place?
Al
Haha, so it's one vote for conduit and one for capping. I will likely cap the existing wiring that we keep, and look to run any new stuff in conduit.
The consumer unit for the house has been changed recently so not something we're touching soon. We think the previous owner had plans on renting it out but changed their mind once all the costs of bringing it up to date were realised, not before some of the work had been done though. It will end up being changed again at some point though as it is at capacity and the garage is spurred off the ring main
something I'll need to change in future.
Al.
The consumer unit for the house has been changed recently so not something we're touching soon. We think the previous owner had plans on renting it out but changed their mind once all the costs of bringing it up to date were realised, not before some of the work had been done though. It will end up being changed again at some point though as it is at capacity and the garage is spurred off the ring main
something I'll need to change in future.Al.
The oval conduit can enter the metal boxes, so if you ever have to rewire something you don't need to damage the whole wall. I also think it looks neater and once chased in offers more protection to the cable IMHO.
Another thing to consider is, how old is the wiring? If its more than ten years old, why not replace it all while you have the chance. Its not often when wiring kitchens, many of the outlets are in the correct position/height and have to be moved anyway. Take the two sockets on the right that are above one another. You are going to need to alter them, so why not rip them out re-wire them and chase them in.
Another thing to consider is, how old is the wiring? If its more than ten years old, why not replace it all while you have the chance. Its not often when wiring kitchens, many of the outlets are in the correct position/height and have to be moved anyway. Take the two sockets on the right that are above one another. You are going to need to alter them, so why not rip them out re-wire them and chase them in.
As a continuation to the original question and my planning on where to put things I'd like to ask where it's advisable to take power from for a cooker hood.
In the ceiling or on the wall in this location there is 1.5mm t&e for the lighting ring, 2.5mm for the socket ring and 6mm for the cooker supply. All circuits are on seperate RCD's in the consumer unit.
I've discounted the lighting ring so would it be better add a fused spur for the hood from the sockets or the cooker supply? My gut feel is that it would be better from the cooker supply but I've no good reason to conclude this.
Thanks.
Al
In the ceiling or on the wall in this location there is 1.5mm t&e for the lighting ring, 2.5mm for the socket ring and 6mm for the cooker supply. All circuits are on seperate RCD's in the consumer unit.
I've discounted the lighting ring so would it be better add a fused spur for the hood from the sockets or the cooker supply? My gut feel is that it would be better from the cooker supply but I've no good reason to conclude this.
Thanks.
Al
x 7usc said:
Fused Spur from the sockets, not the cooker supply, you wouldn't get 2 ends of a 6mm T+E in a single backbox anyway. I tend to put the spur or single socket up behind the chimney of the extractor for simplicity.
47mm back box. Can easily fit 2 6mm T+E's in, just chase a bit deeper.Back to the original post. Conduit if you may want to rewire in future or just capping usually but it is better to do it vertically from above.
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