Building Regs Pickle - any inspectors on here?
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Are there any building inspectors (LA or AI) who could offer any advice, in post or dm please?
In the midst of a protracted build, my AI has issued me with a partial final certificate and advised he cannot continue as he has been removed from the register of approved AI’s.
I’m wondering :
1) if it is possible to get another AI to take over or the project always should revert to LA inspectors?
2) whether the AD guidance in place at the time of the initial notification will still apply or whether AD guidance based on a 2022 appointment of any replacement AI would apply.
In the midst of a protracted build, my AI has issued me with a partial final certificate and advised he cannot continue as he has been removed from the register of approved AI’s.
I’m wondering :
1) if it is possible to get another AI to take over or the project always should revert to LA inspectors?
2) whether the AD guidance in place at the time of the initial notification will still apply or whether AD guidance based on a 2022 appointment of any replacement AI would apply.
arguti said:
Suggest this gets moved over to the house thread homes and DIY sub-forum
We've got at least two resident Building Control inspectors over there (Bobtail4x4 and Smokey-mow),But FWIIW:
My understanding is that it must revert to Local Authority Building Control, but the version of the regs that were current when the Initial Notice was submitted will continue to apply.
If a partial final certificate has been issued then yes you can transfer to another AI but this a should be done as part of the cancellation process.
BCA policy note3 covers the procedure.
https://buildingcontrolalliance.org/wp-content/upl...
BCA policy note3 covers the procedure.
https://buildingcontrolalliance.org/wp-content/upl...
smokey mow said:
If a partial final certificate has been issued then yes you can transfer to another AI but this a should be done as part of the cancellation process.
BCA policy note3 covers the procedure.
https://buildingcontrolalliance.org/wp-content/upl...
^^^ I stand corrected. BCA policy note3 covers the procedure.
https://buildingcontrolalliance.org/wp-content/upl...
Smokey mow's link:
... seems to suggest that your original AI needs to register the approval of the design by submission of a Plans Certificate, but this would fix the Building Regs at the version originally submitted?
we seem to getting more and more AI certs being cancelled
ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
it seems AI`s throw in the towel and ask the LA to take over as a first resort, had one last week IN cancelled as "cannot contact owner" I knocked on the door they answered, job sorted, apparently I was the first inspector to actually call on site on an extension that was finished......
ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
it seems AI`s throw in the towel and ask the LA to take over as a first resort, had one last week IN cancelled as "cannot contact owner" I knocked on the door they answered, job sorted, apparently I was the first inspector to actually call on site on an extension that was finished......
bobtail4x4 said:
we seem to getting more and more AI certs being cancelled
ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
We’ve plenty coming our way from a certain AI whose name begins with A. The office local to us has already shut and it looks like they’re clearing the shelves in readiness for the outcome their appeal hearing.ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
bobtail4x4 said:
we seem to getting more and more AI certs being cancelled
ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
it seems AI`s throw in the towel and ask the LA to take over as a first resort, had one last week IN cancelled as "cannot contact owner" I knocked on the door they answered, job sorted, apparently I was the first inspector to actually call on site on an extension that was finished......
And you wonder why it was reverted having not been inspected and complete. Do you think that was because the AI couldn’t be bothered or they weren’t notified? And if it was complete, did you ask for anything to be opened up or just sign it off, lol.ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
it seems AI`s throw in the towel and ask the LA to take over as a first resort, had one last week IN cancelled as "cannot contact owner" I knocked on the door they answered, job sorted, apparently I was the first inspector to actually call on site on an extension that was finished......
smokey mow said:
bobtail4x4 said:
we seem to getting more and more AI certs being cancelled
ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
We’ve plenty coming our way from a certain AI whose name begins with A. The office local to us has already shut and it looks like they’re clearing the shelves in readiness for the outcome their appeal hearing.ok a couple have gone bust and a couple more have been struck off for dodgy dealing,
In regards the OP, even though you can get another AI to complete the job and potentially issue the final cert, I would suggest the simplest route is to submit an app to the LA to cover the remaining work.
With regards regs changes, the cut off date is the 15th June. Make sure you have a new app registered by then and you have a year to complete it under current regs even if there is a question mark over which regs are applicable (which there shouldn’t be, as work commenced before the regs changed).
Hope you get sorted.
Imasurv said:
Interested in what you consider ‘dodgy dealing’? signing off a job without inspecting it?
Exactly that.https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/people/luton-cou...
Imasurv said:
With regards regs changes, the cut off date is the 15th June. Make sure you have a new app registered by then and you have a year to complete it under current regs
Once works have started (which they already have done under the original application) there is no time limit for them to finish. It does not matter that the works might be reverted or transferred as the clock has already been started.The transitional provisions for the June regs changes only force you to make a start within a year not to complete any existing works within a year.
smokey mow said:
Imasurv said:
Interested in what you consider ‘dodgy dealing’? signing off a job without inspecting it?
Exactly that.https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/people/luton-cou...
Imasurv said:
With regards regs changes, the cut off date is the 15th June. Make sure you have a new app registered by then and you have a year to complete it under current regs
Once works have started (which they already have done under the original application) there is no time limit for them to finish. It does not matter that the works might be reverted or transferred as the clock has already been started.The transitional provisions for the June regs changes only force you to make a start within a year not to complete any existing works within a year.
I’m well aware of the Luton case. Having worked in LABC myself for 20 years the hypocrisy is astounding, this kind of thing whilst not commonplace happens in LABC controlled projects too, but LABC answer to no-one…
smokey mow said:
Imasurv said:
LABC answer to no-one…
LABC is no less immune to being taken to court for acting negligently than an Approved Inspector. And as I’m sure you’re also aware all building control bodies both private and public are very soon to come under the Building Safety Regulator.
Yes the BSR is going to be interesting, for both public and private sector, albeit only on high rise in scope buildings.
Anyway this thread has gone way off topic, and our views are entrenched either way so I’ll leave it at that.
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