Homes and erosion
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fourstardan

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6,584 posts

174 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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It is tragic to see how peoples homes have been wiped out by erosion but did these people realise originally that what they was buying into was maybe a bit too good to be true?

Surveys surely would have expressed the risks?

I'm not sure whether the insurance coverage over the years was available, surely an indication to get the hell out of there!

Are homes being built in vulnerable areas anymore? I know in the North Cornwall area I've seen homes on cliff faces.


vikingaero

13,439 posts

199 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Cornwall is dominated by granite which is more resilient than sand/sandstone/greensand in areas in Eastern areas.

I suppose people who bought homes didn't expect the rate of erosion or just expected some intervention from Councils/Govt/EA etc.

But you're partly right. Too many people buy homes by rivers and complain when it floods.

Easternlight

3,955 posts

174 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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They have surveys done and they are told that it "should" be fine for 25 years.
But then you get some bad storms and sorry it's gone!
No they won't be covered by insurance.
It's a gamble.
The village I live in on the Suffolk coast has a 25 year line through it, to the east of it you can't get a mortgage.
I'm the wright side of it by a good margin.

fourstardan

Original Poster:

6,584 posts

174 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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vikingaero said:
Cornwall is dominated by granite which is more resilient than sand/sandstone/greensand in areas in Eastern areas.

I suppose people who bought homes didn't expect the rate of erosion or just expected some intervention from Councils/Govt/EA etc.

But you're partly right. Too many people buy homes by rivers and complain when it floods.
To be fair I've not seen anyone complaining or demanding action from authorities but I honestly look at the situation and think did you honestly not realise?

I am finding with my parents they fail to listen and get the hint sometimes when they make financials decisions e.g the silly car depreciating, overpriced holidays to ste destinations, overpaying for building work.

So maybe there is a bit of this and blinkered vision with people when they buy these properties.

crofty1984

17,064 posts

234 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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I did hear of one lady that basically treated it as rent. 10 years rent was more than buying a house on a cliff and watching it wash away in year 11.

Birr97

131 posts

134 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Same issue with river erosion as well.

River erosion isn't in the remit of authorities such as the EA or NRW to deal with, unless it's to do with erosion of a flood defence asset they maintain such as an embankment or wall.

It's staggering how many people (in South Wales especially) buy houses backing on to rivers without knowing their rights and responsibilities as riparian owners. I've had to tell many people that no, the retaining wall that was holding up your garden is unfortunately yours to deal with and should've been maintained by you.

Crazy how little people research into the largest purchase they'll ever make, all I'll say is don't buy a house by a river.

sunnyb13

1,204 posts

68 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Often bought at discounted rates - so treat it as a long term rent instead of a purchase.

MightyBadger

4,694 posts

80 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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vikingaero said:
Cornwall is dominated by granite which is more resilient than sand/sandstone/greensand in areas in Eastern areas.

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True but there has been lots and lots of erosion in Cornwall in the last few years, landslides every year and many reroutings of the coastal path into fields as its falling into the ocean.

fourstardan

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6,584 posts

174 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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I guess if the price of the house is low then write off over 10/20 years is no worse than a time share or moving into a Churchills retirement place.


Watcher of the skies

1,355 posts

67 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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MightyBadger said:
vikingaero said:
Cornwall is dominated by granite which is more resilient than sand/sandstone/greensand in areas in Eastern areas.

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True but there has been lots and lots of erosion in Cornwall in the last few years, landslides every year and many reroutings of the coastal path into fields as its falling into the ocean.
Main problems in Cornwall are usually adverse mining reports or mundic. These are well reported so there's no reason to get caught out.

DonkeyApple

70,369 posts

199 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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sunnyb13 said:
Often bought at discounted rates - so treat it as a long term rent instead of a purchase.
Yup. Basically akin to a short dated lease deal. The key lies in getting the correct discount and the bonus being if it doesn't fall into the sea by the calculated date.

Can make excellent holiday rentals, if like a short dated lease, the yield is sufficient to return the capital well within the period and deliver a return on top.

The problem in recent years, just like urban short dated leases has been that retail punters have been bidding values way beyond sensible investment prices.

MightyBadger

4,694 posts

80 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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Watcher of the skies said:
Main problems in Cornwall are usually adverse mining reports or mundic. These are well reported so there's no reason to get caught out.
Been plenty of 'unknown' mineshafts causing trouble too, opening up here and there.

fourstardan

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6,584 posts

174 months

Wednesday 15th March 2023
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DonkeyApple said:
Yup. Basically akin to a short dated lease deal. The key lies in getting the correct discount and the bonus being if it doesn't fall into the sea by the calculated date.

Can make excellent holiday rentals, if like a short dated lease, the yield is sufficient to return the capital well within the period and deliver a return on top.
Or if the holiday makers don't burn the uninsured property down within a year of you owning it!