Any metallurgists on here - what's happened here?
Any metallurgists on here - what's happened here?
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TonyRPH

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13,546 posts

198 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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I saw this on a Facebook audio repair group - it's a capstan flywheel from an 80's cassette tape deck.

I presume it's some kind of alloy, but these typically have a high mass, so I wonder if it's pewter?

Anyway, why would it apparently crack / crumble like this?




Speed addicted

6,329 posts

257 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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I’m no metallurgist but have spent the last 28 years inspecting stuff.
Cracks pretty much always have a start point, a sharp corner or a hole. A stress raiser for them to go from.

I wonder if this is cast and these are casting defects that have become more visible over time.
Sometimes an imperfect casting has surface cracking where the material has cooled too rapidly.
These may have been acceptable for the intended use, or it wasn’t inspected in the first place as they made them by the thousands.

jayjay

470 posts

274 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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It will probably be Mazak Rot (Zinc Pest).

harrycovert

478 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Intergranular corrosion ,because of excessive impurities ??

dhutch

17,868 posts

227 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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jayjay said:
It will probably be Mazak Rot (Zinc Pest).
Not overly familiar with this, but it appears you could be right.

jet_noise

6,099 posts

212 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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jayjay said:
It will probably be Mazak Rot (Zinc Pest).
My guess too. Scourge of older model railway engine chassis.

dudleybloke

20,553 posts

216 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Interesting article about it here.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110716065232/http://...

Seems soaking it in white vinegar can stop the rot for a while.

Tango13

10,136 posts

206 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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jayjay said:
It will probably be Mazak Rot (Zinc Pest).
Being a precision engineer I read that and wondered what the fk Mazak machine tools had to do with metal rotting spin

Megaflow

11,560 posts

255 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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Tango13 said:
jayjay said:
It will probably be Mazak Rot (Zinc Pest).
Being a precision engineer I read that and wondered what the fk Mazak machine tools had to do with metal rotting spin
Not just me then!

hehe

sospan

2,755 posts

252 months

Thursday 13th July 2023
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It is possible the wheel could be a zinc alloy as these were easily cast in complex shapes by die casting, pressure die casting etc. Zinc alloys can suffer Mazak Rot due to impurities. Other non zinc alloys also suffer similar problems due to impurities eventually causing problems.
Some alloys improve with age as they “age harden” due to microstructural changes over time.
Even stainless steel can have similar problems. “ Weld decay” can result in ss welds unless a correct filler metal alloy is used. Titanium, (in small quantities) is one such solution. It preferentially scavenges the low level of unwanted carbon away from the chromium. Chrome carbide forms a galvanic corrosion cell at the microstructure level if allowed to form. Hence the titanium, which has greater affinity for carbon than chrome so grabs it first.
These days plastics have replaced die cast metal for many components such as gears. Cheaper but can limit the life if in higher load environments.