Non original DeWalt 18v. XR Batteries
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These chaps are reasonably well thought of according to a few PHers:
https://www.drill-battery.co.uk/cordless/battery.p...
https://www.drill-battery.co.uk/cordless/battery.p...
57Ford said:
These chaps are reasonably well thought of according to a few PHers:
https://www.drill-battery.co.uk/cordless/battery.p...
I bought a Dyson compatible battery from them and it didn't fit in the charger and felt very flimsy. I very much doubt they have anyone or any presence anywhere near the UK (other than a drop-shipper) as they tried the classic Chinese tat-shop tactic of "we'll refund you all but £5 and you can keep it". Took a while to get the return and refund sorted and random Chinese characters kept appearing in their emails. You will also note that there is no address or phone number anywhere on the sitehttps://www.drill-battery.co.uk/cordless/battery.p...
The first return label they sent me had an eBay item number on it (I didn't buy from eBay) and a "From" address of some marine company in Dorset. I'd not shop from them again.
I use them in a business setting (so they get used) and I've replied on posts here before, quite recently.
Buy the second cheapest on Amazon, based on reviews, so you have a nice easy return if one of the packs is duff. Test them on receipt.
There are many Youtube tests of genuine vs aftermarket and the conclusion is fairly conclusive (and it follows the science of L-ion battery technology as it should): Here comes the science bit.....
The cheap versions can be cheap because they use cheaper cells to make the packs. Cells vary in quality based on materials used. This has been a constant since lithium polymer cells hit the RC market. Cells are "C" rated - this rating is the amount of current (amps) the cell can deliver before performance drops off. It's the "torque" of a battery pack in simple terms.
Cheapo packs use cells that are a lower "C" rating than the branded packs. Dewalt will use the best panasonic cells (for example, could be samsung) they can get, perhaps with a 10C rating. Dewoohaa batteries will use 4C cells, that can be bought for 1/10th of the price of top end cells.
The result to you and I is only noticeable if you push your battery packs. I.e work them hard. Battery leaf blower? You'd never notice. Hammer drill - you'd prob never notice. Angle grinder - you'd notice less torque under load. SDS drill? you prob would not notice for general DIY.
They are not less safe . they are just lower quality cells (in terms of power delivery). The BMS (battery management) circuits in battery packs are simple - the Chinese have been making them since the inception of lithium batteries. Its the charger, not the battery, that decides when to stop charging a pack, and significant overcharging is the easiest way to make them explode. That's down to the charger (and in some regards, the battery's BMS - who's job it is to not let the pack get too out of balance). Even the "much respected" genuiner brands are all made in ...China.
Aftermarket batteries are a fraction of the price of branded ones. At the end of the day, if you are relying on high torque applications, particularly professionally, then the genuine packs can make sense, but in all other situations you'd be mad to ignore good value lower torque battery packs.
I run 4 packs, and they run a lot of low power tools (drill, SDS, lamp, tyre inflator etc) plus, an an angle grinder (dewalt brushless) and a circular saw (same) with zero issues, plus the mighty top end impact drill (rattle gun) - and that removes wheel nuts off my transit with no help from a breaker bar, which my airline tools never could...). Genuine packs would run those three tools harder, but I don't need them to.
These were my purchases: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09DYSVBTH/ref...
The important brand you are looking for is the "waitley" label - they have lots of good Youtube test reviews. £53 for two 5ah packs. (I paid £45 at the time). That would have been £130 for the paid of Dewalt equivalents. I paid 1/3rd of that.
Buy the second cheapest on Amazon, based on reviews, so you have a nice easy return if one of the packs is duff. Test them on receipt.
There are many Youtube tests of genuine vs aftermarket and the conclusion is fairly conclusive (and it follows the science of L-ion battery technology as it should): Here comes the science bit.....
The cheap versions can be cheap because they use cheaper cells to make the packs. Cells vary in quality based on materials used. This has been a constant since lithium polymer cells hit the RC market. Cells are "C" rated - this rating is the amount of current (amps) the cell can deliver before performance drops off. It's the "torque" of a battery pack in simple terms.
Cheapo packs use cells that are a lower "C" rating than the branded packs. Dewalt will use the best panasonic cells (for example, could be samsung) they can get, perhaps with a 10C rating. Dewoohaa batteries will use 4C cells, that can be bought for 1/10th of the price of top end cells.
The result to you and I is only noticeable if you push your battery packs. I.e work them hard. Battery leaf blower? You'd never notice. Hammer drill - you'd prob never notice. Angle grinder - you'd notice less torque under load. SDS drill? you prob would not notice for general DIY.
They are not less safe . they are just lower quality cells (in terms of power delivery). The BMS (battery management) circuits in battery packs are simple - the Chinese have been making them since the inception of lithium batteries. Its the charger, not the battery, that decides when to stop charging a pack, and significant overcharging is the easiest way to make them explode. That's down to the charger (and in some regards, the battery's BMS - who's job it is to not let the pack get too out of balance). Even the "much respected" genuiner brands are all made in ...China.
Aftermarket batteries are a fraction of the price of branded ones. At the end of the day, if you are relying on high torque applications, particularly professionally, then the genuine packs can make sense, but in all other situations you'd be mad to ignore good value lower torque battery packs.
I run 4 packs, and they run a lot of low power tools (drill, SDS, lamp, tyre inflator etc) plus, an an angle grinder (dewalt brushless) and a circular saw (same) with zero issues, plus the mighty top end impact drill (rattle gun) - and that removes wheel nuts off my transit with no help from a breaker bar, which my airline tools never could...). Genuine packs would run those three tools harder, but I don't need them to.
These were my purchases: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09DYSVBTH/ref...
The important brand you are looking for is the "waitley" label - they have lots of good Youtube test reviews. £53 for two 5ah packs. (I paid £45 at the time). That would have been £130 for the paid of Dewalt equivalents. I paid 1/3rd of that.
Griffith4ever said:
I use them in a business setting (so they get used) and I've replied on posts here before, quite recently.
Buy the second cheapest on Amazon, based on reviews, so you have a nice easy return if one of the packs is duff. Test them on receipt.
There are many Youtube tests of genuine vs aftermarket and the conclusion is fairly conclusive (and it follows the science of L-ion battery technology as it should): Here comes the science bit.....
The cheap versions can be cheap because they use cheaper cells to make the packs. Cells vary in quality based on materials used. This has been a constant since lithium polymer cells hit the RC market. Cells are "C" rated - this rating is the amount of current (amps) the cell can deliver before performance drops off. It's the "torque" of a battery pack in simple terms.
Cheapo packs use cells that are a lower "C" rating than the branded packs. Dewalt will use the best panasonic cells (for example, could be samsung) they can get, perhaps with a 10C rating. Dewoohaa batteries will use 4C cells, that can be bought for 1/10th of the price of top end cells.
The result to you and I is only noticeable if you push your battery packs. I.e work them hard. Battery leaf blower? You'd never notice. Hammer drill - you'd prob never notice. Angle grinder - you'd notice less torque under load. SDS drill? you prob would not notice for general DIY.
They are not less safe . they are just lower quality cells (in terms of power delivery). The BMS (battery management) circuits in battery packs are simple - the Chinese have been making them since the inception of lithium batteries. Its the charger, not the battery, that decides when to stop charging a pack, and significant overcharging is the easiest way to make them explode. That's down to the charger (and in some regards, the battery's BMS - who's job it is to not let the pack get too out of balance). Even the "much respected" genuiner brands are all made in ...China.
Aftermarket batteries are a fraction of the price of branded ones. At the end of the day, if you are relying on high torque applications, particularly professionally, then the genuine packs can make sense, but in all other situations you'd be mad to ignore good value lower torque battery packs.
I run 4 packs, and they run a lot of low power tools (drill, SDS, lamp, tyre inflator etc) plus, an an angle grinder (dewalt brushless) and a circular saw (same) with zero issues, plus the mighty top end impact drill (rattle gun) - and that removes wheel nuts off my transit with no help from a breaker bar, which my airline tools never could...). Genuine packs would run those three tools harder, but I don't need them to.
These were my purchases: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09DYSVBTH/ref...
The important brand you are looking for is the "waitley" label - they have lots of good Youtube test reviews. £53 for two 5ah packs. (I paid £45 at the time). That would have been £130 for the paid of Dewalt equivalents. I paid 1/3rd of that.
Thanks for this really detailed answer. Much appreciated.Buy the second cheapest on Amazon, based on reviews, so you have a nice easy return if one of the packs is duff. Test them on receipt.
There are many Youtube tests of genuine vs aftermarket and the conclusion is fairly conclusive (and it follows the science of L-ion battery technology as it should): Here comes the science bit.....
The cheap versions can be cheap because they use cheaper cells to make the packs. Cells vary in quality based on materials used. This has been a constant since lithium polymer cells hit the RC market. Cells are "C" rated - this rating is the amount of current (amps) the cell can deliver before performance drops off. It's the "torque" of a battery pack in simple terms.
Cheapo packs use cells that are a lower "C" rating than the branded packs. Dewalt will use the best panasonic cells (for example, could be samsung) they can get, perhaps with a 10C rating. Dewoohaa batteries will use 4C cells, that can be bought for 1/10th of the price of top end cells.
The result to you and I is only noticeable if you push your battery packs. I.e work them hard. Battery leaf blower? You'd never notice. Hammer drill - you'd prob never notice. Angle grinder - you'd notice less torque under load. SDS drill? you prob would not notice for general DIY.
They are not less safe . they are just lower quality cells (in terms of power delivery). The BMS (battery management) circuits in battery packs are simple - the Chinese have been making them since the inception of lithium batteries. Its the charger, not the battery, that decides when to stop charging a pack, and significant overcharging is the easiest way to make them explode. That's down to the charger (and in some regards, the battery's BMS - who's job it is to not let the pack get too out of balance). Even the "much respected" genuiner brands are all made in ...China.
Aftermarket batteries are a fraction of the price of branded ones. At the end of the day, if you are relying on high torque applications, particularly professionally, then the genuine packs can make sense, but in all other situations you'd be mad to ignore good value lower torque battery packs.
I run 4 packs, and they run a lot of low power tools (drill, SDS, lamp, tyre inflator etc) plus, an an angle grinder (dewalt brushless) and a circular saw (same) with zero issues, plus the mighty top end impact drill (rattle gun) - and that removes wheel nuts off my transit with no help from a breaker bar, which my airline tools never could...). Genuine packs would run those three tools harder, but I don't need them to.
These were my purchases: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09DYSVBTH/ref...
The important brand you are looking for is the "waitley" label - they have lots of good Youtube test reviews. £53 for two 5ah packs. (I paid £45 at the time). That would have been £130 for the paid of Dewalt equivalents. I paid 1/3rd of that.
cliffords said:
Griffith4ever said:
I use them in a business setting (so they get used) and I've replied on posts here before, quite recently.
Buy the second cheapest on Amazon, based on reviews, so you have a nice easy return if one of the packs is duff. Test them on receipt.
There are many Youtube tests of genuine vs aftermarket and the conclusion is fairly conclusive (and it follows the science of L-ion battery technology as it should): Here comes the science bit.....
The cheap versions can be cheap because they use cheaper cells to make the packs. Cells vary in quality based on materials used. This has been a constant since lithium polymer cells hit the RC market. Cells are "C" rated - this rating is the amount of current (amps) the cell can deliver before performance drops off. It's the "torque" of a battery pack in simple terms.
Cheapo packs use cells that are a lower "C" rating than the branded packs. Dewalt will use the best panasonic cells (for example, could be samsung) they can get, perhaps with a 10C rating. Dewoohaa batteries will use 4C cells, that can be bought for 1/10th of the price of top end cells.
The result to you and I is only noticeable if you push your battery packs. I.e work them hard. Battery leaf blower? You'd never notice. Hammer drill - you'd prob never notice. Angle grinder - you'd notice less torque under load. SDS drill? you prob would not notice for general DIY.
They are not less safe . they are just lower quality cells (in terms of power delivery). The BMS (battery management) circuits in battery packs are simple - the Chinese have been making them since the inception of lithium batteries. Its the charger, not the battery, that decides when to stop charging a pack, and significant overcharging is the easiest way to make them explode. That's down to the charger (and in some regards, the battery's BMS - who's job it is to not let the pack get too out of balance). Even the "much respected" genuiner brands are all made in ...China.
Aftermarket batteries are a fraction of the price of branded ones. At the end of the day, if you are relying on high torque applications, particularly professionally, then the genuine packs can make sense, but in all other situations you'd be mad to ignore good value lower torque battery packs.
I run 4 packs, and they run a lot of low power tools (drill, SDS, lamp, tyre inflator etc) plus, an an angle grinder (dewalt brushless) and a circular saw (same) with zero issues, plus the mighty top end impact drill (rattle gun) - and that removes wheel nuts off my transit with no help from a breaker bar, which my airline tools never could...). Genuine packs would run those three tools harder, but I don't need them to.
These were my purchases: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09DYSVBTH/ref...
The important brand you are looking for is the "waitley" label - they have lots of good Youtube test reviews. £53 for two 5ah packs. (I paid £45 at the time). That would have been £130 for the paid of Dewalt equivalents. I paid 1/3rd of that.
Thanks for this really detailed answer. Much appreciated.Buy the second cheapest on Amazon, based on reviews, so you have a nice easy return if one of the packs is duff. Test them on receipt.
There are many Youtube tests of genuine vs aftermarket and the conclusion is fairly conclusive (and it follows the science of L-ion battery technology as it should): Here comes the science bit.....
The cheap versions can be cheap because they use cheaper cells to make the packs. Cells vary in quality based on materials used. This has been a constant since lithium polymer cells hit the RC market. Cells are "C" rated - this rating is the amount of current (amps) the cell can deliver before performance drops off. It's the "torque" of a battery pack in simple terms.
Cheapo packs use cells that are a lower "C" rating than the branded packs. Dewalt will use the best panasonic cells (for example, could be samsung) they can get, perhaps with a 10C rating. Dewoohaa batteries will use 4C cells, that can be bought for 1/10th of the price of top end cells.
The result to you and I is only noticeable if you push your battery packs. I.e work them hard. Battery leaf blower? You'd never notice. Hammer drill - you'd prob never notice. Angle grinder - you'd notice less torque under load. SDS drill? you prob would not notice for general DIY.
They are not less safe . they are just lower quality cells (in terms of power delivery). The BMS (battery management) circuits in battery packs are simple - the Chinese have been making them since the inception of lithium batteries. Its the charger, not the battery, that decides when to stop charging a pack, and significant overcharging is the easiest way to make them explode. That's down to the charger (and in some regards, the battery's BMS - who's job it is to not let the pack get too out of balance). Even the "much respected" genuiner brands are all made in ...China.
Aftermarket batteries are a fraction of the price of branded ones. At the end of the day, if you are relying on high torque applications, particularly professionally, then the genuine packs can make sense, but in all other situations you'd be mad to ignore good value lower torque battery packs.
I run 4 packs, and they run a lot of low power tools (drill, SDS, lamp, tyre inflator etc) plus, an an angle grinder (dewalt brushless) and a circular saw (same) with zero issues, plus the mighty top end impact drill (rattle gun) - and that removes wheel nuts off my transit with no help from a breaker bar, which my airline tools never could...). Genuine packs would run those three tools harder, but I don't need them to.
These were my purchases: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B09DYSVBTH/ref...
The important brand you are looking for is the "waitley" label - they have lots of good Youtube test reviews. £53 for two 5ah packs. (I paid £45 at the time). That would have been £130 for the paid of Dewalt equivalents. I paid 1/3rd of that.
I also have 4x Ryobi aftermarket packs which power more garden oriented tools such as a chainsaw, hedge trimmer, strimmer, and also one of my workshop / home factory drills and. Heatgun.
Over the years I've bought all my tools "bare" which has saved an absolute fortune, and then aftermarket batteries. In all that time I've had one aftermarket Ryobi pack delivered dead (refunded) and ironically the only pack I've binned due to expiring was the genuine Ryobi pack the first drill came with. No amount of YouTube opinion will convince me I've been investing in a "false economy" . Not only are the packs 1/3rd of the price, but I also have twice as many which gives great flexibility and means I always have full spares to hand. Plus, if one does dies or gets misplaced, who cares at £22? :-)
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