Shower attachment question.
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I've looked at this so many times and can't quite fathom it out.
Ensuite shower, quality wall boards. Overhead shower and this hand held unit both controlled by a single two knob control. You get the overhead or the hand held.
The hand held initially had a self adhesive gasket that sealed it against the wall boards. That has now failed and the weight of the unit has opened up a gap which must be taking in water I guess.
The unit is stepped so the chrome ring that I thought would slide up the unit can't.
I'm guessing the unit must be screwed into the plumbing behind the boarding? Otherwise how would the plumber have fitted it, no access for a compression or soldered joint.
Do I try and unscrew it? Or maybe try and squeeze sealant into where the failed gasket is?
Thanks for any help.
Ensuite shower, quality wall boards. Overhead shower and this hand held unit both controlled by a single two knob control. You get the overhead or the hand held.
The hand held initially had a self adhesive gasket that sealed it against the wall boards. That has now failed and the weight of the unit has opened up a gap which must be taking in water I guess.
The unit is stepped so the chrome ring that I thought would slide up the unit can't.
I'm guessing the unit must be screwed into the plumbing behind the boarding? Otherwise how would the plumber have fitted it, no access for a compression or soldered joint.
Do I try and unscrew it? Or maybe try and squeeze sealant into where the failed gasket is?
Thanks for any help.
The pipe fitting should have a wall plate elbow that’s screwed to the wall behind the boards, the stub pipe screws into that and the shower to that stub. This part should be absolutely solid.
I don’t know what brand yours is, but Grohe and others have a short screw that goes through the outer sleeve of the shiny fitting and into the stub pipe, to allow you to lock it up against the gasket once you’ve pushed it home.
I don’t know what brand yours is, but Grohe and others have a short screw that goes through the outer sleeve of the shiny fitting and into the stub pipe, to allow you to lock it up against the gasket once you’ve pushed it home.
Rough101 said:
The pipe fitting should have a wall plate elbow that’s screwed to the wall behind the boards, the stub pipe screws into that and the shower to that stub. This part should be absolutely solid.
I don’t know what brand yours is, but Grohe and others have a short screw that goes through the outer sleeve of the shiny fitting and into the stub pipe, to allow you to lock it up against the gasket once you’ve pushed it home.
Thanks, can't see any grub screw but I'll have another look. From what you say, it sound like the part screwed to the wall behind the wallboards has worked loose. It's a stud wall, not brick/block.I don’t know what brand yours is, but Grohe and others have a short screw that goes through the outer sleeve of the shiny fitting and into the stub pipe, to allow you to lock it up against the gasket once you’ve pushed it home.
https://www.screwfix.com/c/heating-plumbing/pipe-f...
It’s unlikely that 2 or 3 screws have came out, unless they were never fitted or it’s a plain elbow that was held in with gunge
It’s unlikely that 2 or 3 screws have came out, unless they were never fitted or it’s a plain elbow that was held in with gunge
Rough101 said:
https://www.screwfix.com/c/heating-plumbing/pipe-f...
It’s unlikely that 2 or 3 screws have came out, unless they were never fitted or it’s a plain elbow that was held in with gunge
Thanks, yes, that's the sort of fitting I was expecting. Screws maybe just worked a little slack maybe?It’s unlikely that 2 or 3 screws have came out, unless they were never fitted or it’s a plain elbow that was held in with gunge
But you think the chrome fitting will be screwed into that so in theory I should be able to undo the entire fitting, turning it clockwise. There'll be some spillage I assume.
Of course if it has actually come off the wall and I start to unscrew it there'll be strain on the plumbing and heaven knows what'll happen.
It's been a while but this was getting worse. Bought a boroscope/endoscope to investigate.
This is what we have:
Apologies it's just Autocad release 1
The two pipes for the handset and showerhead come from the taps, turn through 90°, then through holes drilled in a timber support for the wallboard. The back of the handset isn't fixed anywhere except in that timber and then looks to be siliconed through plasterboard and the wallboard of the shower.
No clips, or screwed elbows.
How to fix it, not sure at the moment.
This is what we have:
Apologies it's just Autocad release 1
The two pipes for the handset and showerhead come from the taps, turn through 90°, then through holes drilled in a timber support for the wallboard. The back of the handset isn't fixed anywhere except in that timber and then looks to be siliconed through plasterboard and the wallboard of the shower.
No clips, or screwed elbows.
How to fix it, not sure at the moment.
Skyedriver said:
It's been a while but this was getting worse. Bought a boroscope/endoscope to investigate.
This is what we have:
Apologies it's just Autocad release 1
The two pipes for the handset and showerhead come from the taps, turn through 90°, then through holes drilled in a timber support for the wallboard. The back of the handset isn't fixed anywhere except in that timber and then looks to be siliconed through plasterboard and the wallboard of the shower.
No clips, or screwed elbows.
How to fix it, not sure at the moment.
If I interpret your drawing properly... that was never going to work (long term). It seems the weight of the handset outlet is just sort of cantilevered off the way the pipe is trapped in the studwork. As mentioned before it should have a proper elbow, screwed to the studwork right behind the outlet.This is what we have:
Apologies it's just Autocad release 1
The two pipes for the handset and showerhead come from the taps, turn through 90°, then through holes drilled in a timber support for the wallboard. The back of the handset isn't fixed anywhere except in that timber and then looks to be siliconed through plasterboard and the wallboard of the shower.
No clips, or screwed elbows.
How to fix it, not sure at the moment.
Can you go in through the back - cut an access hole from the otherside of the wall. In that way you won't have to mess up the paneling.
Still need to get that outlet off - can you determine the make - and then get the installation manual?
Yep a plumbing and heating firm did the work but left most of it to the joiner.
Access:
from the front: wallboards in shower,
from the left: wallboard to the void but a toilet, handbasin and fully fitted cabinet would need to come out.
from the rear, tiled bathroom (Awful travertine tiles badly done by a previous, we've thought about redoing it since we moved in eight years ago.
from the right: cut a hole through the wall in the hallway/ passage to the bedrooms which is where I was going to drill for the endoscope until I drilled though the inside of the bathroom cabinet and left hand wallboard.
But behind the hand held shower is the void about 200mm deep nothing to fit an elbow to. It's going to need a bloody big hole in the wall to get in and redo the pipework.
Access:
from the front: wallboards in shower,
from the left: wallboard to the void but a toilet, handbasin and fully fitted cabinet would need to come out.
from the rear, tiled bathroom (Awful travertine tiles badly done by a previous, we've thought about redoing it since we moved in eight years ago.
from the right: cut a hole through the wall in the hallway/ passage to the bedrooms which is where I was going to drill for the endoscope until I drilled though the inside of the bathroom cabinet and left hand wallboard.
But behind the hand held shower is the void about 200mm deep nothing to fit an elbow to. It's going to need a bloody big hole in the wall to get in and redo the pipework.
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