Sharing Starlink with a neighbour
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I've just moved to a rural property where the available broadband via the old copper wires is very, very slow, guaranteed speed is about 3.5MBps.
The next door neighbour (it's a terrace, we're mid- and they're end-) has just got a Starlink setup and is open in principle to sharing the connection, but I'm not sure what would be the best approach.
The Starlink dish and router are on the far side of their house from us. The walls are thick stone and their WiFi doesn't reach us at all, so some sort of wired connection into a hub in our property would be essential.
Also, to complicate things further, we need broadband in our separate garden room.
If we run an ethernet cable from the Starlink router to our house, is there a readymade solution for getting WiFi everywhere in our property?
I'm really struggling to figure out if the Starlink hub will even allow this – I know you can disable its WiFi and run on bypass mode, but will it work on two separate WiFi networks?
Any guidance much appreciated. If we can't figure it out we'll just get our own Starlink but the monthly cost is hefty!
Edit: Oh and there virtually no mobile signal either, I'm hanging out of a Velux in the loft to post this.
The next door neighbour (it's a terrace, we're mid- and they're end-) has just got a Starlink setup and is open in principle to sharing the connection, but I'm not sure what would be the best approach.
The Starlink dish and router are on the far side of their house from us. The walls are thick stone and their WiFi doesn't reach us at all, so some sort of wired connection into a hub in our property would be essential.
Also, to complicate things further, we need broadband in our separate garden room.
If we run an ethernet cable from the Starlink router to our house, is there a readymade solution for getting WiFi everywhere in our property?
I'm really struggling to figure out if the Starlink hub will even allow this – I know you can disable its WiFi and run on bypass mode, but will it work on two separate WiFi networks?
Any guidance much appreciated. If we can't figure it out we'll just get our own Starlink but the monthly cost is hefty!
Edit: Oh and there virtually no mobile signal either, I'm hanging out of a Velux in the loft to post this.
I think you just want to two mesh networks.
There's a thread around here about nuclear or bullet proof WiFi. It's pretty well informed.
So maybe you want to run two networks with a Master and Slave (I.e. cable for Starklink to Acces Point AP1 (master mesh 1), then cable to AP2 (neighbour), each AP controls it's own mesh)...
Or, maybe you want to a small switch to split from the starlink a cable to each mesh networks AP1.
The mesh then just uses multiple units to reboradcast and bounce the WiFi signal around your home, and your device acts like it's attached to a single access point.
Mesh
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3031014
Switch
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8495459?_gl=1*11r1...
There's a thread around here about nuclear or bullet proof WiFi. It's pretty well informed.
So maybe you want to run two networks with a Master and Slave (I.e. cable for Starklink to Acces Point AP1 (master mesh 1), then cable to AP2 (neighbour), each AP controls it's own mesh)...
Or, maybe you want to a small switch to split from the starlink a cable to each mesh networks AP1.
The mesh then just uses multiple units to reboradcast and bounce the WiFi signal around your home, and your device acts like it's attached to a single access point.
Mesh
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/3031014
Switch
https://www.argos.co.uk/product/8495459?_gl=1*11r1...
MajorMantra said:
I've just moved to a rural property where the available broadband via the old copper wires is very, very slow, guaranteed speed is about 3.5MBps.
The next door neighbour (it's a terrace, we're mid- and they're end-) has just got a Starlink setup and is open in principle to sharing the connection, but I'm not sure what would be the best approach.
The Starlink dish and router are on the far side of their house from us. The walls are thick stone and their WiFi doesn't reach us at all, so some sort of wired connection into a hub in our property would be essential.
Also, to complicate things further, we need broadband in our separate garden room.
If we run an ethernet cable from the Starlink router to our house, is there a readymade solution for getting WiFi everywhere in our property?
I'm really struggling to figure out if the Starlink hub will even allow this – I know you can disable its WiFi and run on bypass mode, but will it work on two separate WiFi networks?
Any guidance much appreciated. If we can't figure it out we'll just get our own Starlink but the monthly cost is hefty!
Edit: Oh and there virtually no mobile signal either, I'm hanging out of a Velux in the loft to post this.
Just get your own Starlink hookup, in the long run it will just be easier that way. Also make sure to do a full test of all mobile operators, where I live there is a copper service that will only guarantee a max of 1mbps. So we tested mobile signal, O2, Vodafone non existent, 3 was just about available, EE is full 5G! We also have Starlink as a backup service as you can switch the service on and off month to monthThe next door neighbour (it's a terrace, we're mid- and they're end-) has just got a Starlink setup and is open in principle to sharing the connection, but I'm not sure what would be the best approach.
The Starlink dish and router are on the far side of their house from us. The walls are thick stone and their WiFi doesn't reach us at all, so some sort of wired connection into a hub in our property would be essential.
Also, to complicate things further, we need broadband in our separate garden room.
If we run an ethernet cable from the Starlink router to our house, is there a readymade solution for getting WiFi everywhere in our property?
I'm really struggling to figure out if the Starlink hub will even allow this – I know you can disable its WiFi and run on bypass mode, but will it work on two separate WiFi networks?
Any guidance much appreciated. If we can't figure it out we'll just get our own Starlink but the monthly cost is hefty!
Edit: Oh and there virtually no mobile signal either, I'm hanging out of a Velux in the loft to post this.
I have starlink on my boat and it is amazing.
As above you really must have 2 separate networks - if not you will see each other printers etc.
the starling router is very basic so you will need the eternal wire option ( which was not but now maybe standard) and then a box to split the networks and then access points to transmit it. I use ubiquity.
However when you haver done all that faf I would just buy your own.
As above you really must have 2 separate networks - if not you will see each other printers etc.
the starling router is very basic so you will need the eternal wire option ( which was not but now maybe standard) and then a box to split the networks and then access points to transmit it. I use ubiquity.
However when you haver done all that faf I would just buy your own.
Edited by Jeremy-75qq8 on Friday 20th December 13:34
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
I have starling on my boat and it is amazing.
As above you really must have 2 separate networks - if not you will see each other printers etc.
the starling router is very basic so you will need the eternal wire option ( which was not but now maybe standard) and then a box to split the networks and then access points to transmit it. I use ubiquity.
However when you haver done all that faf I would just buy your own.
fAs above you really must have 2 separate networks - if not you will see each other printers etc.
the starling router is very basic so you will need the eternal wire option ( which was not but now maybe standard) and then a box to split the networks and then access points to transmit it. I use ubiquity.
However when you haver done all that faf I would just buy your own.
king hell how big is your boat?Don't know Starlink specifically but I'd assume technically you just need a router that connects to the Starlink kit configured with a couple of VLANs one VLAN for their house one VLAN for yours and a cable run to your house where you connect your stuff.
If you're thinking "what's a router" and "what are VLANs" and how to run a long enough cable and what to connect to the end of it that's probably a decent indicator to just get your own Starlink connection and have an easier life
If you're thinking "what's a router" and "what are VLANs" and how to run a long enough cable and what to connect to the end of it that's probably a decent indicator to just get your own Starlink connection and have an easier life
Jeremy-75qq8 said:
Pistonheads starter boat size ! It is in the med so we live on it for a few months of the year and cell phone wifi gets complex and lots of hassle. Starlink is a total game changer. Many boats have it now.
Oh I get the Starlink bit but I meant how big is it to require a Uni-Fi setup?Creating independent networks with their own wifi access is all very doable ... but ... if neither you or your neighbour know how to do this stuff, then I'd hesitate to suggest you go down this route. If something goes wrong, who's going to diagnose the problem and fix it?
If one of you is interested in learning about some basic networking and is prepared to set up and then support the shared connection, hurray. Bit if neither of you is particularly keen to learn this stuff, then I'd suggest going for the simplest, most vanilla install you can, and that isn't one where you're sharing a connection.
If one of you is interested in learning about some basic networking and is prepared to set up and then support the shared connection, hurray. Bit if neither of you is particularly keen to learn this stuff, then I'd suggest going for the simplest, most vanilla install you can, and that isn't one where you're sharing a connection.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Don't know Starlink specifically but I'd assume technically you just need a router that connects to the Starlink kit configured with a couple of VLANs one VLAN for their house one VLAN for yours and a cable run to your house where you connect your stuff.
If you're thinking "what's a router" and "what are VLANs" and how to run a long enough cable and what to connect to the end of it that's probably a decent indicator to just get your own Starlink connection and have an easier life
Starlink provides a router. I don't see why you'd bother with two VLAN configuration, when you could just run as two physical mesh networks off the starlink router, practically plug and play.If you're thinking "what's a router" and "what are VLANs" and how to run a long enough cable and what to connect to the end of it that's probably a decent indicator to just get your own Starlink connection and have an easier life
Given OP has said the starlink in attached to their neighbours property it seems reasonable IMO to share it.
And just check your neighbour doesn't download dodgy stuff...
Evanivitch said:
Starlink provides a router. I don't see why you'd bother with two VLAN configuration, when you could just run as two physical mesh networks off the starlink router, practically plug and play.
Given OP has said the starlink in attached to their neighbours property it seems reasonable IMO to share it.
And just check your neighbour doesn't download dodgy stuff...
If what Starlink provide lets you do that then sure.Given OP has said the starlink in attached to their neighbours property it seems reasonable IMO to share it.
And just check your neighbour doesn't download dodgy stuff...
It was the "just check your neighbour doesn't download dodgy stuff" part I was thinking of tbh (and I'm assuming the neighbour might feel the same)
Personally I wouldn't let others long term on my network, You never know who might have to knock on the door one day and ask for all your devices as someone has been doing things on the network.
Look at getting a router that allows multiple connections, Your Broadband & find the phone network with the best signal and some allow multiple sims if needed.
All houses have to be upgraded to fibre in the next few years. Make sure you put your interest into the openreach website and hopefully will get to you at some point soon.
Look at getting a router that allows multiple connections, Your Broadband & find the phone network with the best signal and some allow multiple sims if needed.
All houses have to be upgraded to fibre in the next few years. Make sure you put your interest into the openreach website and hopefully will get to you at some point soon.
pacenotes said:
All houses have to be upgraded to fibre in the next few years. Make sure you put your interest into the openreach website and hopefully will get to you at some point soon.
Never going to happen, the village and town that top and tail the road we live on have fibre, we do not. Openreach have no plan to roll it out to us leaving it to one of the other providers, who are all completely uninterested as it would provide a service to 3 houses so there is no money it for them. Its simply not practical or cost effective to get every house onto fibre. I even raised this with my MP who raised it with Openreach who replied with "We have no plans, ever. Have they tried 4G?"Thanks for the replies, digesting them now. Some points to address:
- Mobile signal is terrible in all networks here, it's a known dead spot.
- There's no realistic prospect of us getting proper broadband. We're not even on an adopted road, the access is an unmaintained Forestry Commission track.
- I'm fine with basic tech stuff like changing configurations but nothing that needs code writing.
- Mobile signal is terrible in all networks here, it's a known dead spot.
- There's no realistic prospect of us getting proper broadband. We're not even on an adopted road, the access is an unmaintained Forestry Commission track.
- I'm fine with basic tech stuff like changing configurations but nothing that needs code writing.
I don't know why every one is over complicating it.
Run a cable from your neighbour's Starlink terminal.. it should have two ethernet connections, straight to your own router.
The end.
It is then up to you what other provision you want - just as it would be if you had a connection from anywhere else.
Avoid mesh unless you really can't run cables to wireless nodes. You probably don't need to in a conventional property.
Run a cable from your neighbour's Starlink terminal.. it should have two ethernet connections, straight to your own router.
The end.
It is then up to you what other provision you want - just as it would be if you had a connection from anywhere else.
Avoid mesh unless you really can't run cables to wireless nodes. You probably don't need to in a conventional property.
No ideas for a name said:
I don't know why every one is over complicating it.
Run a cable from your neighbour's Starlink terminal.. it should have two ethernet connections, straight to your own router.
The end.
It is then up to you what other provision you want - just as it would be if you had a connection from anywhere else.
Avoid mesh unless you really can't run cables to wireless nodes. You probably don't need to in a conventional property.
Bit rusty, as most of what I’ve don’t recently is VLAN, but IIRC for that to work he’d need fixed IPs for each of the routers, then NAT to a different IP range for his own network?Run a cable from your neighbour's Starlink terminal.. it should have two ethernet connections, straight to your own router.
The end.
It is then up to you what other provision you want - just as it would be if you had a connection from anywhere else.
Avoid mesh unless you really can't run cables to wireless nodes. You probably don't need to in a conventional property.
If he simply plugs in a new router he’s likely to get DHCP conflicts as it, and the starlink, router each try to allocate dynamic IPs.
It’d be easier to have a separate install. Downloading dodgy stuff concerns aside, it’ll also save arguments and avoid one party accusing the other of hogging the bandwidth.
I think getting your own starlink is also probably the best idea long term.
What if starlink bring in throughput limits or traffic caps or whatever.
Or if it goes down you going to have to go and knock on to check whats going on etc etc.
Price changes, hardware changes etc.
Just too many variables. For a week or two, ok, but long term, sort your own.
IMHO.
What if starlink bring in throughput limits or traffic caps or whatever.
Or if it goes down you going to have to go and knock on to check whats going on etc etc.
Price changes, hardware changes etc.
Just too many variables. For a week or two, ok, but long term, sort your own.
IMHO.
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