Hang 200 Kg on plasterboard... how?

[trickadero]

Hi,

I'm considering hanging this wine rack on the wall. Fully loaded it'll be 200 KG! Ideally it would be angled backwards so the bottles sit right which would increase the leverage on any fixings!



The wall is plasterboard over lightweight block with the only studs either side of the alcove.

Best/simplest readily available solution I've come up is three brackets like these underneath with Corefix fixings.



My head is telling me that won't be up to the job though! Should I admit that in reality there's no easy way to affix it with confidence and get some sort of stand for it made instead so the weight sits on the floor (akin to the rough mock-up in the picture, but in metal and braced together).

How would you do it? Help!

[Liamjrhodes]

I would either secure it through the plasterboard into the wall behind or support it from the floor, i would not trust a plasterboard to hold up that much weight.
And if it did fall it would be a disaster with broken wine bottles and wine everywhere

[Jeremy-75qq8]

One single leg in the middle painted to match the wall / skirting. This will take the weight. Then the screws just keep it on the wall.

The leg could also itself by flush to the wall using wood.

If block behind then drill deep and secure to the block

[trickadero]

Liamjrhodes said:

I would either secure it through the plasterboard into the wall behind or support it from the floor, i would not trust a plasterboard to hold up that much weight.
And if it did fall it would be a disaster with broken wine bottles and wine everywhere

The Corefix fixings are designed to fix through plasterboard into the blockwork behind whilst also preventing transferring any load off the plasterboard, but it's still 200Kg and thermalite block... I keep asking myself if I'd trust me and two other people trying to sit on a shelf attached to it and as you say the consequences aren't good!

[Rusty Old-Banger]

trickadero said:

Liamjrhodes said:

I would either secure it through the plasterboard into the wall behind or support it from the floor, i would not trust a plasterboard to hold up that much weight.
And if it did fall it would be a disaster with broken wine bottles and wine everywhere

The Corefix fixings are designed to fix through plasterboard into the blockwork behind whilst also preventing transferring any load off the plasterboard, but it's still 200Kg and thermalite block... I keep asking myself if I'd trust me and two other people trying to sit on a shelf attached to it and as you say the consequences aren't good!

Worst "I'm skinny and so are my mates" post ever.

[Jakg]

200KG is a lot, but Corefix are very good. I used 4 for a towel rail into a thermalite wall (that for a small child might mistake for a ladder!) and was impressed.

Probably want more than 4 though - and those brackets look a bit rubbish...

[Freakuk]

I had similar concerns when mounting a large flat screen TV, nowhere near the weight you are talking though.

I bought some large countersunk bolts that mounted within the block and you screwed into the bolt, like a second internal thread. I mounted a large piece of marine ply on the wall (to spread the load) and then bolted the TV bracket to the plywood if that makes sense.

[Antony Moxey]

Why can't it either sit on the floor or sit on some made up legs or a plinth? In both cases secured to the wall to prevent toppling. I'm not sure on hanging 200kg from a plasterboard wall, or that it hanging would look any better than standing.

[Baldchap]

Whilst the blurb says very few Corefix ones should do it, I wouldn't given the potential for mess and damage, especially when you consider the potential state of the users into the mix. Imagine if someone decides to lean heavily on it when it's full...

I would either make a thick ply backboard, with many many appropriate fixings into the blockwork until I was confident a Sherpa team could climb on it, then attach firmly to that with the heftiest screws I could, or I'd make a plinth or legs as suggested above.

[Badda]

Looks like a champagne rack rather than wine. Won’t you have sediment sitting in the neck when you open the wine?

[trickadero]

Thanks all.

It can't sit on the floor as there's a socket I'd like to keep access to and I'd definitely secure at the top to stop toppling.

Resounding yes to a stand then!

Badda said:

Looks like a champagne rack rather than wine. Won’t you have sediment sitting in the neck when you open the wine?

Yeah, a riddling rack. Good point, but at the angle it'll be at no different to storing on their side.

[lunarscope]

Why not make a nice plinth from a block of wood (stained) ? Maybe polished marble with a slot cut into the top to support the rack. The top edge could then be screwed to the wall or could use super-strong velcro screwed with washers to the wall and back of the top edge of rack.

Edited by lunarscope on Friday 31st January 14:58

[Antony Moxey]

trickadero said:

Thanks all.

It can't sit on the floor as there's a socket I'd like to keep access to and I'd definitely secure at the top to stop toppling.

Well it doesn't look that wide that if it was sat on the floor (or on a plinth/legs) you couldn't still reach around it to access the socket.

[55palfers]

Just give up wine

[smifffymoto]

trickadero said:

Thanks all.

It can't sit on the floor as there's a socket I'd like to keep access to and I'd definitely secure at the top to stop toppling.

Resounding yes to a stand then!

Badda said:

Looks like a champagne rack rather than wine. Won’t you have sediment sitting in the neck when you open the wine?

Yeah, a riddling rack. Good point, but at the angle it'll be at no different to storing on their side.

I would think you’ll have dry corks looking at the angle the bottles will be at.

[AC43]

Antony Moxey said:

trickadero said:

Thanks all.

It can't sit on the floor as there's a socket I'd like to keep access to and I'd definitely secure at the top to stop toppling.

Well it doesn't look that wide that if it was sat on the floor (or on a plinth/legs) you couldn't still reach around it to access the socket.

You could keep the socket but route a cable or two out to a second outlet.

[Badda]

smifffymoto said:

trickadero said:

Thanks all.

It can't sit on the floor as there's a socket I'd like to keep access to and I'd definitely secure at the top to stop toppling.

Resounding yes to a stand then!

Badda said:

Looks like a champagne rack rather than wine. Won’t you have sediment sitting in the neck when you open the wine?

Yeah, a riddling rack. Good point, but at the angle it'll be at no different to storing on their side.

I would think you’ll have dry corks looking at the angle the bottles will be at.

It’s for riddling, they go in upside down.

[biggiles]

Moving the socket would be a doddle, and makes your life much easier I think.

It then becomes much like a 200kg bookcase (i.e. fairly normal), and needs to be secured at the top against toppling. Bolting them to the blockwork should do that fairly easily. I would almost pretend the plasterboard isn't there.

[trickywoo]

trickadero said:

Hi,

I'm considering hanging this wine rack on the wall. Fully loaded it'll be 200 KG! Ideally it would be angled backwards so the bottles sit right which would increase the leverage on any fixings!



The wall is plasterboard over lightweight block with the only studs either side of the alcove.

Best/simplest readily available solution I've come up is three brackets like these underneath with Corefix fixings.



My head is telling me that won't be up to the job though! Should I admit that in reality there's no easy way to affix it with confidence and get some sort of stand for it made instead so the weight sits on the floor (akin to the rough mock-up in the picture, but in metal and braced together).

How would you do it? Help!

Unless the rack itself weighs 100kg the total weight isn’t going to be 200kg. There are 60 holes and a full bottle weighs 1.5kg max.

You still aren’t hanging it on plasterboard by itself of course but I think it’s going to be 100kg to worry about which is more manageable.

[dxg]

take the plasterboard off.

sheet of structural ply screwed direct to the blockwork as much as you think necessary. and then a bit more.

plasterboard back over the top

mount your wine rack through the plasterboard into the ply

I've used this approach for hanging a computer server rack half way up a wall. Very heavy, but rock solid.

Just make sure that everything is butt up hard against the next layer. You want your screws to be resisting load in shear, without a rotational moment. And the friction will help a bit, too.