Openreach Fibre
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A chap is turn up tomorrow to install fibre. The copper currently comes into a wall in the hallway and over 2 door frames into the sitting room. I don't want any new holes drilled - basically replace the copper sockets with fibre ones and put the modem where the current master socket is? They don't seem to give any info/guidelines but does what I say seem reasonable? Any experiences with OR visits would be helpful!
Every install is unique so it's hard to comment. However FTTP is a complete new installation. The fibre will likely come overhead or underground to a CSP / small grey box outside on the wall, from there a slightly more flexible cable comes into the house and terminates into the new ONT, which is in effect your new master socket. Exactly how that'll happen is limited by many factors, including what you're happy to have done be if drilling holes or seeing surface mounted cable. Whether said cable could come under the floor etc, who knows.
Have a discussion with the engineer on arrival, they'll assess the whole job, look after the options then hopefully find a mutually agreeable solution. Some engineers till go above and beyond as I'd assume, as will some customers... others won't. Only you and the engineer hold the answers here, everybody else will be speculating.
Have a discussion with the engineer on arrival, they'll assess the whole job, look after the options then hopefully find a mutually agreeable solution. Some engineers till go above and beyond as I'd assume, as will some customers... others won't. Only you and the engineer hold the answers here, everybody else will be speculating.
fido said:
The copper currently comes into a wall in the hallway...
It is possible that they will want to install the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) the point where it comes into the hallway. The fibre will terminate here and won't go further into the house. The ONT will need to powered from a 13A socket using a wall wart power supply. This is also the place where your Wi-Fi router will need to be located and will also need power but you could extend using an Ethernet cable routed to any location in the house.My fibre previously routed around the front of the house and into the hallway. The fibre router outside was unsightly and vulnerable to sabotage which if cut would prevent the online cameras from working. I had the external fibre shortened to enter the house in the corner of the dining room. I have cut a channel in the wall to route a CAT6 Ethernet cable from the ONT to a central location in the house which will become a comms hub where the first Wi-Fi router will be located.
All installations are different. Moving furniture out of the way may be helpful and the offer of tea and biscuits can be crucial to a good outcome.
Actual said:
It is possible that they will want to install the ONT (Optical Network Terminal) the point where it comes into the hallway.
There is no space in that corner (or spare power point) hence the original Openreach install runs about 8m internally from the entry point into the sitting room where the existing master socket and router is located. Happy for them to pull the fibre optic through the same route. I will point this put out to them with tea and biscuits.The installation photos below were done about 3 months ago, as per the previous post with the wires exposed in the street. It took a complaint and about 2 months of waiting before they finally installed a shield.
Our original copper was was trailed all along the front of the house to the master socket in the hallway. I asked the engineer to install the fibre into our living room which avoids the need for any wires attached to the front of the house.
Unless you have a mesh wifi system and/or network cables and switches, the position of the router is highly critical for getting decent wifi signal around the house.
Our original copper was was trailed all along the front of the house to the master socket in the hallway. I asked the engineer to install the fibre into our living room which avoids the need for any wires attached to the front of the house.
Unless you have a mesh wifi system and/or network cables and switches, the position of the router is highly critical for getting decent wifi signal around the house.
LeoSayer said:
The installation photos below were done about 3 months ago, as per the previous post with the wires exposed in the street. It took a complaint and about 2 months of waiting before they finally installed a shield.
Our original copper was was trailed all along the front of the house to the master socket in the hallway. I asked the engineer to install the fibre into our living room which avoids the need for any wires attached to the front of the house.
Unless you have a mesh wifi system and/or network cables and switches, the position of the router is highly critical for getting decent wifi signal around the house.
That strikes me as a very odd installation ... Was it done by OPENREACH staff or a Sub Contractor ? Maybe if it's "on the street" and not on private property .. they don't want to leave an accessible box Our original copper was was trailed all along the front of the house to the master socket in the hallway. I asked the engineer to install the fibre into our living room which avoids the need for any wires attached to the front of the house.
Unless you have a mesh wifi system and/or network cables and switches, the position of the router is highly critical for getting decent wifi signal around the house.
.The external FTTP cable normally terminates in box and then a fibre fly lead is installed to the ONT . OPENREACH box needs to be installed with access without entering the property and with easy access from what I was told.
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Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Sunday 2nd November 16:01
A lot of existing broadband lines are installed where the master socket is quite some way in the house and linked to the outside Openreach socket by cable (be that normal telephone cable or Cat5/6 cable) Unfortunately, for fibre you cannot really have the same type of installation as the ONT needs to go as close as possible to the external Openreach terminator box and also needs a 240v socket nearby to power the ONT.
Mahalo said:
A lot of existing broadband lines are installed where the master socket is quite some way in the house and linked to the outside Openreach socket by cable (be that normal telephone cable or Cat5/6 cable) Unfortunately, for fibre you cannot really have the same type of installation as the ONT needs to go as close as possible to the external Openreach terminator box and also needs a 240v socket nearby to power the ONT.
I asked for a 10 metre fly cable to my ONT in my "Comms Room" ... no problem ... I have floorboards and left a draw cable , so pulled it in myself .OPENREACH terminated it on to the ONT.
Mahalo said:
Unfortunately, for fibre you cannot really have the same type of installation as the ONT needs to go as close as possible to the external Openreach terminator box and also needs a 240v socket nearby to power the ONT.
Not strictly true. Yes the ONT requires a 240v power point metre or so however it doesn't need to be as close as possible. Closer is usually easier... and quicker to do. There is a lot of fibre infrastructure unrelated to mainstream broadband delivery - e.g. they could be fulfilling a leased line order which would involve installing ducts and fibres between exchange and premises in an area that isn’t setup for consumer FTTP services.
Therefore the answer might be “yes we are installing fibre but only to that building over there”
Therefore the answer might be “yes we are installing fibre but only to that building over there”
gareth h said:
On a similar subject, we ve had roadworks locally (rural Pembrokeshire) they are laying a cable, maybe 4 diameter, I stopped to ask if it was fibre, he said yes, but don t get excited it s for data, not for houses.
This intrigued me, any idea what it s for?
One idea could be a bespoke commercial installation for connecting up a trading estate and offices or maybe for the new solar and battery farm that they haven't told you about.This intrigued me, any idea what it s for?
Or could it be for connecting the new car park pay machines so tourists have to pay for parking?
Actual said:
gareth h said:
On a similar subject, we ve had roadworks locally (rural Pembrokeshire) they are laying a cable, maybe 4 diameter, I stopped to ask if it was fibre, he said yes, but don t get excited it s for data, not for houses.
This intrigued me, any idea what it s for?
One idea could be a bespoke commercial installation for connecting up a trading estate and offices or maybe for the new solar and battery farm that they haven't told you about.This intrigued me, any idea what it s for?
Or could it be for connecting the new car park pay machines so tourists have to pay for parking?
GasEngineer said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I asked for a 10 metre fly cable to my ONT in my "Comms Room" ... no problem ... I have floorboards and left a draw cable , so pulled it in myself .
OPENREACH terminated it on to the ONT.
How far is your ONT from the external grey box? .OPENREACH terminated it on to the ONT.
Just measured it 13 metres .... must be a 15m fly cable then
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Monday 3rd November 12:48
The Three D Mucketeer said:
About 10 metres .... runs under my lounge and up my hallway into my "comms room / cistern cupboard"
Just measured it 13 metres .... must be a 15m fly cable then
It'll be 20m cut down to length. Just measured it 13 metres .... must be a 15m fly cable then
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Monday 3rd November 12:48
Inside out cables (ie from CSP to ONT) are available in 5m, 10m, 20m, 30m and 50m lengths... but obviously can be cut down accordingly.
Davie said:
It'll be 20m cut down to length.
Inside out cables (ie from CSP to ONT) are available in 5m, 10m, 20m, 30m and 50m lengths... but obviously can be cut down accordingly.
That's good to know as I have measured the current installation and it's actually 16m from external to ONT. Hallway has a tiled floor so the cable has to go around 2 doors.Inside out cables (ie from CSP to ONT) are available in 5m, 10m, 20m, 30m and 50m lengths... but obviously can be cut down accordingly.
gareth h said:
On a similar subject, we ve had roadworks locally (rural Pembrokeshire) they are laying a cable, maybe 4 diameter, I stopped to ask if it was fibre, he said yes, but don t get excited it s for data, not for houses.
This intrigued me, any idea what it s for?
When the streets round here were dug up for Community Fibre there were some massive data cables put in at the same time for a new data centre a couple of miles away.This intrigued me, any idea what it s for?
The Three D Mucketeer said:
GasEngineer said:
The Three D Mucketeer said:
I asked for a 10 metre fly cable to my ONT in my "Comms Room" ... no problem ... I have floorboards and left a draw cable , so pulled it in myself .
OPENREACH terminated it on to the ONT.
How far is your ONT from the external grey box? .OPENREACH terminated it on to the ONT.
Just measured it 13 metres .... must be a 15m fly cable then
Edited by The Three D Mucketeer on Monday 3rd November 12:48
If it can be around 15m like yours then I could have the ONT in the middle of the house where the current copper fed router and it's power supply is .
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