Part P Ceritifcate and Gas Safe
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We have had a group of local builders / labourers rip out our old and install a new kitchen. As part of that an old 5 ring hob has been taken out and capped off, and a load of new circuits and electrical work has been done. As far as we can tell they are not gas safe registered and I don't expect for one second there will be any paperwork or certification for the electrics.
I know from looking online this can cause issues for insurance and also when selling down the line, but how much of an issue is it really and am I being pedantic if I withhold the final payment instalment of 900? FWIW they gave been doing multiple jobs around ours and there has been a few issues with things being done ass about face.
I know from looking online this can cause issues for insurance and also when selling down the line, but how much of an issue is it really and am I being pedantic if I withhold the final payment instalment of 900? FWIW they gave been doing multiple jobs around ours and there has been a few issues with things being done ass about face.
For the gas:
Unless they are Gas Safe registered they are not allowed to disconnect the gas hob. The pipework should have been tested for gas tightness before and after the job.
Did the hob pipework have an isolator tap that they used to isolate and cut the supply pipe?
If they have left an unsafe situation they need to be RIDDOR reported to the HSE.
Unless they are Gas Safe registered they are not allowed to disconnect the gas hob. The pipework should have been tested for gas tightness before and after the job.
Did the hob pipework have an isolator tap that they used to isolate and cut the supply pipe?
If they have left an unsafe situation they need to be RIDDOR reported to the HSE.
Ubiquitous2024 said:
We have had a group of local builders / labourers rip out our old and install a new kitchen. As part of that an old 5 ring hob has been taken out and capped off, and a load of new circuits and electrical work has been done. As far as we can tell they are not gas safe registered and I don't expect for one second there will be any paperwork or certification for the electrics.
I know from looking online this can cause issues for insurance and also when selling down the line, but how much of an issue is it really and am I being pedantic if I withhold the final payment instalment of 900? FWIW they gave been doing multiple jobs around ours and there has been a few issues with things being done ass about face.
If they've done the job as specced I think not paying them the £900 agreed is highly unreasonable. It seems like they didn't mention a certificate in the quote, and you didn't ask about it or know that one was needed until after everything was agreed. You could ask them to get the paperwork done by a third party for the original price because it's a legal requirement, but you hired people who weren't Gas Safe registered.I know from looking online this can cause issues for insurance and also when selling down the line, but how much of an issue is it really and am I being pedantic if I withhold the final payment instalment of 900? FWIW they gave been doing multiple jobs around ours and there has been a few issues with things being done ass about face.
ETA: From subsequent posts it looks like you're preparing to go to war anyway.
Edited by Simpo Two on Sunday 22 March 10:13
I am planning on getting someone independent at the end to go over it all. Out of interest, down the line how would anyone know what has and hasn't been done - we could just say they used existing sockets etc
Their previous company name which I found out via research has an interesting companies house history which I don't understand - they had a different name for a few years and now have changed to a new company name. The below are the latest entries:
Date Description View / Download
05 Aug 2025 Final Gazette dissolved via compulsory strike-off
10 Jun 2025 Compulsory strike-off action has been suspended
13 May 2025 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off
26 Mar 2025 Address of person with significant control Mr Toma Tudorel changed to 12880933 - Companies House Default Address, PO Box 4385, Cardiff, CF14 8LH on 26 March 2025
26 Mar 2025 Registered office address changed to PO Box 4385, 12880933 - Companies House Default Address, Cardiff, CF14 8LH on 26 March 2025
Their previous company name which I found out via research has an interesting companies house history which I don't understand - they had a different name for a few years and now have changed to a new company name. The below are the latest entries:
Date Description View / Download
05 Aug 2025 Final Gazette dissolved via compulsory strike-off
10 Jun 2025 Compulsory strike-off action has been suspended
13 May 2025 First Gazette notice for compulsory strike-off
26 Mar 2025 Address of person with significant control Mr Toma Tudorel changed to 12880933 - Companies House Default Address, PO Box 4385, Cardiff, CF14 8LH on 26 March 2025
26 Mar 2025 Registered office address changed to PO Box 4385, 12880933 - Companies House Default Address, Cardiff, CF14 8LH on 26 March 2025
GasEngineer said:
For the gas:
Unless they are Gas Safe registered they are not allowed to disconnect the gas hob. The pipework should have been tested for gas tightness before and after the job.
Did the hob pipework have an isolator tap that they used to isolate and cut the supply pipe?
If they have left an unsafe situation they need to be RIDDOR reported to the HSE.
Yes there is a valve which has been turned to vertical and then a cap and hexagonal looking end to the pipe. My friend who is gas safe says its a bit naughty but these things are often done. Unless they are Gas Safe registered they are not allowed to disconnect the gas hob. The pipework should have been tested for gas tightness before and after the job.
Did the hob pipework have an isolator tap that they used to isolate and cut the supply pipe?
If they have left an unsafe situation they need to be RIDDOR reported to the HSE.
Regarding expectations, we did not mention certs specifically but we trusted they were a professional outfit who would cover all aspects satisfactorily. Some of the work has been questionable and he uses different labourers some of which he finds by posting adverts on facebook.
I'd say the OP has two times two sets of problems here: Safety (gas & electric) and certifications (gas & electric).
The most critical, to me is the gas. If it's not been done to the necessary standard there's a real risk of explosion.
Electrical fires are, as far as I can recall, responsible for about half the domestic fires in the UK, so this is running potential gas leaks a close second in the risk stakes. Add in the fact that the electrical work that's been done is close to the work done on the gas and there's a real chance of things going awry.
I suggest both sets of work need to be inspected by qualified third parties & necessary certificate(s) obtained. I say a third party as a "Part P qualified" electrician in my experience issue the necessary certificate on completion. The lack of such raises doubts that the work was done by a "Part P" electrician.
My understanding is that it's simply illegal to do *anything* to the gas supply unless the person doing the work is registered (recent TV adverts say this). The OP says that as far as s/he is aware "they are not gas safe registered". That sounds very concerning.
That's not to say there's anything wrong with the work done - it might be 100% OK. But in the absence of paperwork who's to know? In a worst case scenario, would the house insurance still be valid?
The most critical, to me is the gas. If it's not been done to the necessary standard there's a real risk of explosion.
Electrical fires are, as far as I can recall, responsible for about half the domestic fires in the UK, so this is running potential gas leaks a close second in the risk stakes. Add in the fact that the electrical work that's been done is close to the work done on the gas and there's a real chance of things going awry.
I suggest both sets of work need to be inspected by qualified third parties & necessary certificate(s) obtained. I say a third party as a "Part P qualified" electrician in my experience issue the necessary certificate on completion. The lack of such raises doubts that the work was done by a "Part P" electrician.
My understanding is that it's simply illegal to do *anything* to the gas supply unless the person doing the work is registered (recent TV adverts say this). The OP says that as far as s/he is aware "they are not gas safe registered". That sounds very concerning.
That's not to say there's anything wrong with the work done - it might be 100% OK. But in the absence of paperwork who's to know? In a worst case scenario, would the house insurance still be valid?
Ubiquitous2024 said:
Out of interest, down the line how would anyone know what has and hasn't been done - we could just say they used existing sockets etc
Someone might or might not find out. Cable colours changed (years ago) so, depending on when the kitchen was last done that might give it away, and I’d expect there are date/batch codes on the cable if someone wanted to dig into it. Fraudulent misrepresentation with respect to the responses to inquires can be a serious business. The liabilities, if you go down the damages route, extend to the party who relied on them being able to claim for consequential losses as well.
I have spent quite a bit of time looking into this recently and someone I bought a property is getting a nasty letter later this week.
LooneyTunes said:
The liabilities, if you go down the damages route, extend to the party who relied on them being able to claim for consequential losses as well.
Not quite sure what that bit means - you saying we would be liable in future after we moved?From our POV we have gone with a renovations company who are registered and appear legit. We seem to have got what we asked for but the work has been in a weird order and there has been poor structure / communication throughout. I would expect them to cover any certs that are required as part of the job, it is reasonable to expect completion of all aspects when you agree to someone project managing everything. But I don't believe we will get either.
The query is where we go next to obtain them as other sparkies won't get involved in someone elses work.
Ubiquitous2024 said:
The query is where we go next to obtain them as other sparkies won't get involved in someone elses work.
For the electrics, your best option might be to employ a reputable (and qualified) electrical contractor to carry out and issue an EICR. Those are good for (I think) 5 years and will categorise any issues into C1 (currently dangerous, sort it immediately), C2 (potentially dangerous, needs looking at in the near future) and C3 (no immediate danger but improvements recommended). There are companies who will carry this out (legally) on an existing installation.Ubiquitous2024 said:
LooneyTunes said:
The liabilities, if you go down the damages route, extend to the party who relied on them being able to claim for consequential losses as well.
Not quite sure what that bit means - you saying we would be liable in future after we moved?From our POV we have gone with a renovations company who are registered and appear legit. We seem to have got what we asked for but the work has been in a weird order and there has been poor structure / communication throughout. I would expect them to cover any certs that are required as part of the job, it is reasonable to expect completion of all aspects when you agree to someone project managing everything. But I don't believe we will get either.
The query is where we go next to obtain them as other sparkies won't get involved in someone elses work.
Assuming the installation doesn’t blow up the detection risk is probably quite low, and even if it were detected the risk of someone coming after you for damages is probably also quite low.
In our case it’s a bit more serious and the former is owner is looking at a six-figure claim against him. In that case it’s the consequential damages (the losses flowing from what he lied about) that could get really gnarly.
I see. And a part P is a legal requirement looking online. They will tell me it is not required as only minor work has been done however they have created new circuits and sockets in multiple places. I am trying to work out my response to them to say it is required, as all I have is what info is online and I don't want to look a fool.
Ubiquitous2024 said:
I see. And a part P is a legal requirement looking online. They will tell me it is not required as only minor work has been done however they have created new circuits and sockets in multiple places. I am trying to work out my response to them to say it is required, as all I have is what info is online and I don't want to look a fool.
Have they created any new circuits though? Or just altered existing?A new circuit will go back to the consumer unit.
Rough101 said:
Have they created any new circuits though? Or just altered existing?
A new circuit will go back to the consumer unit.
I don't know exactly what they have done, however, they have added a lot. For example the old oven wire has had to be c hanne;led under the floor in a hollow pipe across the kitchen and then concreted over as the entire oven unit has been moved. New lighting under cupboards, sockets moved to new locations, additional sockets created for appliances as whole room has been switched around. A new circuit will go back to the consumer unit.
They would get into big trouble carrying out gas work if you wanted to inform trading standards, the electrical work sounds like it should have been done by a Part P registered sparky.
I’m fitting a kitchen at the moment for a friend, we do all the water plumbing but I use a Gas Safe plumber to do the gas hob, we are more than capable but we are not allowed, simple as that.
I’m fitting a kitchen at the moment for a friend, we do all the water plumbing but I use a Gas Safe plumber to do the gas hob, we are more than capable but we are not allowed, simple as that.
Ubiquitous2024 said:
Yes there is a valve which has been turned to vertical and then a cap and hexagonal looking end to the pipe. My friend who is gas safe says its a bit naughty but these things are often done.
It's more than a bit naughty - it is illegal for the builder to have disconnected the hob.You could call Gas Safe register and tell them the situation. They may send an inspector who can arrange to prosecute the builder.
You don't need a certificate for the gas work in the same way that you do with the Part P BTW, but the gas engineer could provide a homeowner report.
If you've gone to an electric hob it'll almost certainly be a 6mm dedicated cable to it's own breaker at the fuse box.
AFAIK that's not something considered acceptable by a 'competent' individual, but needs a qualified individual.
Most electricians will do a check and safety certificate. Personally, for peace of mind I'd want one.
AFAIK that's not something considered acceptable by a 'competent' individual, but needs a qualified individual.
Most electricians will do a check and safety certificate. Personally, for peace of mind I'd want one.
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