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We have bought a few old homes over the past few decades (now in my 40s)
We bought our current house 6 years ago but a new business has taken ALL of my time away and don't have the time to do the work we need to make the house into a house we want to live in. AFter 6 years we are all fed up of living here.
THe choice is, drop £100k on the house (which we just about can do from a mnix of savings and debt)- we won't see that money back ever i suspect, but we'll have a nice enough house. It won't ever be our long term home.
The other choice is to buy a bigger house that doesn't need any work- and looking at new build.
So-is there any reason why we shouldn't buy a new build? what are the downsides? i can see that they are slightly more expensive than non new, but we've found somewhere in a small development by bewley homes..... its very attractive to just move somewhere that is warm, doesn't need any work and is low maintenance.
We bought our current house 6 years ago but a new business has taken ALL of my time away and don't have the time to do the work we need to make the house into a house we want to live in. AFter 6 years we are all fed up of living here.
THe choice is, drop £100k on the house (which we just about can do from a mnix of savings and debt)- we won't see that money back ever i suspect, but we'll have a nice enough house. It won't ever be our long term home.
The other choice is to buy a bigger house that doesn't need any work- and looking at new build.
So-is there any reason why we shouldn't buy a new build? what are the downsides? i can see that they are slightly more expensive than non new, but we've found somewhere in a small development by bewley homes..... its very attractive to just move somewhere that is warm, doesn't need any work and is low maintenance.
New build can be very tempting if you don't want to do any work but you'll have to decide what's best for you.
Is the new one a bespoke build, large garden and own drive way or a hideous identabox new build with a tandem drive, front door almost opening on to the road, garden full of manhole covers and houses so close even if it had a south facing garden it will be in darkness by 4pm because the neighbours block out the light?
Is the new one a bespoke build, large garden and own drive way or a hideous identabox new build with a tandem drive, front door almost opening on to the road, garden full of manhole covers and houses so close even if it had a south facing garden it will be in darkness by 4pm because the neighbours block out the light?
When I was last looking at new builds, 5 years ago, one thing that put me off was service charges. Used to be unheard of for houses but now new houses are getting saddled with costs of stuff that previously would have been adopted by the council .
One estate even had a huge Victorian water tower in the common space. Prospect of huge bills!
One estate even had a huge Victorian water tower in the common space. Prospect of huge bills!
Sheets Tabuer said:
New build can be very tempting if you don't want to do any work but you'll have to decide what's best for you.
Is the new one a bespoke build, large garden and own drive way or a hideous identabox new build with a tandem drive, front door almost opening on to the road, garden full of manhole covers and houses so close even if it had a south facing garden it will be in darkness by 4pm because the neighbours block out the light?
I personally like the actual house big building firms produce. They are energy efficient, built on templates (so by definition reasonable quality), and hassle free. Where as older homes need constant work, often built by amateurs/DIYers. We are calling out the builders again to sort out a leak in the two ensuites we didn't touch when we renovated the rest of the house, we really should have just demolished the existing old house and put up a new build.Is the new one a bespoke build, large garden and own drive way or a hideous identabox new build with a tandem drive, front door almost opening on to the road, garden full of manhole covers and houses so close even if it had a south facing garden it will be in darkness by 4pm because the neighbours block out the light?
However every time I visit a new build site I'm so thankful for the space and privacy we have at home. Houses can be renovated/rebuilt, adding privacy/plot size is almost impossible. That's before you faff with parking and than having to deal with unpredictable neighbours. When our renovation project was hitting constant delays and cost escalations we did actually go to view a new build site down the road from us. It took all of 5 seconds looking out of the master bedroom window to confirm the pain/hassel/cost of doing the renovations was worth every penny, even though at the time we lacked any glazing
.But the OP I think is clear their current house is far from ideal, and the new build developement might not be so packed. However I would still be amazed if the new build offered more privacy and space than an older house.
Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 10th September 05:52
PugwasHDJ80 said:
So-is there any reason why we shouldn't buy a new build? what are the downsides? i can see that they are slightly more expensive than non new, but we've found somewhere in a small development by bewley homes..... its very attractive to just move somewhere that is warm, doesn't need any work and is low maintenance.
As someone whe delivers materials to housing estates of all shapes and sizes don't ever expect them to be trouble-free, far from it. Build quality is entirely down to who they could get to do each part if the work, how the materials were stored (usually poorly) and how quickly it slowly that actual house was built. It's not unknown for plots to sit half done for ages, exposed to the weather then rushed to finish as a buyer is found. This ain't great for long term stability or quality. Also check out the status of the land, future charges, is the road guaranteed to be adopted etc. It's not unheard if for the developer to leave the road in a substandard state, the council refuse to adopt it and the residents be left with a crumbling access that they are on the hook for maintaining. I can see the attraction of buying one from a smaller developer if they are good (IF, there are plenty of bad ones!) but I would be very wary of buying from one of the big boys. Far better to buy something 5-10 years old where the original purchaser has fixed most of the issues and any big problems can be spotted.
Op, I was in exactly your position about 18 months ago. Spend big on old house renovations - with the time, hassle and far from ideal old plot and old house. Or move.
See my update on P2 of this thread:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
See my update on P2 of this thread:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I would add - we were surprised how much difference there was between developers on quality, house types and estate layouts.
I'm in a Bellway and most of the house designs are pretty 'normal', OK quality and noticeably more free space including trees, parks, paths, visitor parking etc
Next to us is a Persimmon estate - again more normal house layouts, but much more squeezed in, far less greenery, much more looking at each other across a street without visitor parking. Inside things like doors and bathroom furniture felt cheap.
Up the road is a David Wilson. Some odd house layouts, every kitchen in the already built houses is grey, with grey carpets, while green space is good, the road and housing layout is cramped. But indoor quality of kitchens and bathrooms etc felt very good.
And we really really focused on two plots that we knew were facing green spaces, quieter road section etc
I'm in a Bellway and most of the house designs are pretty 'normal', OK quality and noticeably more free space including trees, parks, paths, visitor parking etc
Next to us is a Persimmon estate - again more normal house layouts, but much more squeezed in, far less greenery, much more looking at each other across a street without visitor parking. Inside things like doors and bathroom furniture felt cheap.
Up the road is a David Wilson. Some odd house layouts, every kitchen in the already built houses is grey, with grey carpets, while green space is good, the road and housing layout is cramped. But indoor quality of kitchens and bathrooms etc felt very good.
And we really really focused on two plots that we knew were facing green spaces, quieter road section etc
If you already know the current house isn’t going to be your long term home, I’d be very wary of throwing £100k at it just to make it somewhere you can tolerate for a few more years.
I don’t have loads of first hand experience with new builds. The only one I lived in was our last family home, built around 2000 as part of a small development of 11 houses by a local developer, and we had zero issues with it.
A much bigger estate has gone up locally in recent years though and the feedback sounds far more hit and miss. My brother’s brother and sister in law ended up having the kitchen and a load of other woodwork ripped out and replaced because of termites, and I’ve heard plenty of other anecdotes from the same development about things needing to be put right.
That said, I can absolutely see the appeal in your situation. Warm, efficient, low maintenance and basically nothing major to do for a while has real value when work is already eating all your time.
I’d just go in with your eyes open. Check room sizes, storage, parking, garden, estate charges, covenants, snagging and how much of a new build premium you’re paying.
Personally I’d compare the real cost of both options, not just £100k renovation vs purchase price. Stamp duty, agents, legal fees, mortgage difference, moving costs and any incentives all matter.
But reading your post, it sounds like you’ve mentally moved on from the current house already. If that’s the case, I’m not sure I’d spend £100k trying to convince myself to stay.
I don’t have loads of first hand experience with new builds. The only one I lived in was our last family home, built around 2000 as part of a small development of 11 houses by a local developer, and we had zero issues with it.
A much bigger estate has gone up locally in recent years though and the feedback sounds far more hit and miss. My brother’s brother and sister in law ended up having the kitchen and a load of other woodwork ripped out and replaced because of termites, and I’ve heard plenty of other anecdotes from the same development about things needing to be put right.
That said, I can absolutely see the appeal in your situation. Warm, efficient, low maintenance and basically nothing major to do for a while has real value when work is already eating all your time.
I’d just go in with your eyes open. Check room sizes, storage, parking, garden, estate charges, covenants, snagging and how much of a new build premium you’re paying.
Personally I’d compare the real cost of both options, not just £100k renovation vs purchase price. Stamp duty, agents, legal fees, mortgage difference, moving costs and any incentives all matter.
But reading your post, it sounds like you’ve mentally moved on from the current house already. If that’s the case, I’m not sure I’d spend £100k trying to convince myself to stay.
We live on a new-ish estate, house was built in 2018 so we're the second owners after buying it in 2021.
We have a corner plot, big double drive, wrap around front garden and a decent sized back garden that isn't overlooked.
I'd say go for nearly new, that way you can see how the estates turned out once it's finished. We've seen some estates grow and grow, so more traffic, parking issues etc but not here as it's all done and dusted.
It's great, nicely spaced houses, loads of green spaces, houses aren't on top of each other.
We have a corner plot, big double drive, wrap around front garden and a decent sized back garden that isn't overlooked.
I'd say go for nearly new, that way you can see how the estates turned out once it's finished. We've seen some estates grow and grow, so more traffic, parking issues etc but not here as it's all done and dusted.
It's great, nicely spaced houses, loads of green spaces, houses aren't on top of each other.
gangzoom said:
I personally like the actual house big building firms produce. They are energy efficient, built on templates (so by definition reasonable quality), and hassle free. Where as older homes need constant work, often built by amateurs/DIYers. We are calling out the builders again to sort out a leak in the two ensuites we didn't touch when we renovated the rest of the house, we really should have just demolished the existing old house and put up a new build.
However every time I visit a new build site I'm so thankful for the space and privacy we have at home. Houses can be renovated/rebuilt, adding privacy/plot size is almost impossible. That's before you faff with parking and than having to deal with unpredictable neighbours. When our renovation project was hitting constant delays and cost escalations we did actually go to view a new build site down the road from us. It took all of 5 seconds looking out of the master bedroom window to confirm the pain/hassel/cost of doing the renovations was worth every penny, even though at the time we lacked any glazing.
But the OP I think is clear their current house is far from ideal, and the new build developement might not be so packed. However I would still be amazed if the new build offered more privacy and space than an older house.
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Absolutely this - same kind of 'predicament' but wouldnt change it. You cannot put a price on privacy and peace!However every time I visit a new build site I'm so thankful for the space and privacy we have at home. Houses can be renovated/rebuilt, adding privacy/plot size is almost impossible. That's before you faff with parking and than having to deal with unpredictable neighbours. When our renovation project was hitting constant delays and cost escalations we did actually go to view a new build site down the road from us. It took all of 5 seconds looking out of the master bedroom window to confirm the pain/hassel/cost of doing the renovations was worth every penny, even though at the time we lacked any glazing
.But the OP I think is clear their current house is far from ideal, and the new build developement might not be so packed. However I would still be amazed if the new build offered more privacy and space than an older house.
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Edited by gangzoom on Thursday 10th September 05:52
Swings and roundabouts really - you hear some horror stories about new builds, but buying an older property is just as much of a minefield. I guess at least with a new build you have some chance of redress. Better still if you are an early buyer as the developer/trades/sales office are still on site and more invested in sorting stuff.
We lived in a new build for 10 years. Pros:
- extremely energy efficient, the house never really got properly cold and only needed an hour or two of heating most days during winter
- relatively maintenance free
- all new appliances/fitted kitchen
- Surprisingly generous single garage
Cons:
- most houses on the estate were tandem parking driveways, for 2 cars only. Which in practice means most people will park one car on the drive and the other on the narrow roads. We were one of the first to move in, but over time the roads got more and more clogged up with badly parked cars.
- Tiny garden, although the layout wasn't too bad and we weren't actually overlooked that much.
- over the 10 years we noticed a big change in the feel of the estate. Started off quite nice but started to go downhill, more issues with feral kids and drunken nutters
- It's really unfair to tar everyone with the same brush, 99% of them were fine decent people, but you didn't need to refer to the developer's plans to know which houses were social housing (all new developments must have some). They just had a bit of a run-down/less cared for look about them. And it only takes one rotten apple to ruin it for the rest.
- It probably took about 3 years after we moved in for the developer to finally get round to finishing off road surfaces, pavements, play areas, etc. So that was 3 years of living in a building site, with the main road unfinished with raised ironworks, etc.
It was a Charles Church ("posh" Persimmon") home, purchased under the Help to Buy scheme, nothing special just a 3 bed semi. We moved last year into a 1950's home in a nicer area as we had the budget. Looking back I have no regrets, the new build was a decent home and worked for us at the time, but I'd be a bit cautious about buying new build in the future, especially on a large estate. Maybe "executive homes", or ones on a smaller development would not have the same issues, but the way the estate changed and went downhill over the years was not something I'd really anticipated.
We lived in a new build for 10 years. Pros:
- extremely energy efficient, the house never really got properly cold and only needed an hour or two of heating most days during winter
- relatively maintenance free
- all new appliances/fitted kitchen
- Surprisingly generous single garage
Cons:
- most houses on the estate were tandem parking driveways, for 2 cars only. Which in practice means most people will park one car on the drive and the other on the narrow roads. We were one of the first to move in, but over time the roads got more and more clogged up with badly parked cars.
- Tiny garden, although the layout wasn't too bad and we weren't actually overlooked that much.
- over the 10 years we noticed a big change in the feel of the estate. Started off quite nice but started to go downhill, more issues with feral kids and drunken nutters
- It's really unfair to tar everyone with the same brush, 99% of them were fine decent people, but you didn't need to refer to the developer's plans to know which houses were social housing (all new developments must have some). They just had a bit of a run-down/less cared for look about them. And it only takes one rotten apple to ruin it for the rest.
- It probably took about 3 years after we moved in for the developer to finally get round to finishing off road surfaces, pavements, play areas, etc. So that was 3 years of living in a building site, with the main road unfinished with raised ironworks, etc.
It was a Charles Church ("posh" Persimmon") home, purchased under the Help to Buy scheme, nothing special just a 3 bed semi. We moved last year into a 1950's home in a nicer area as we had the budget. Looking back I have no regrets, the new build was a decent home and worked for us at the time, but I'd be a bit cautious about buying new build in the future, especially on a large estate. Maybe "executive homes", or ones on a smaller development would not have the same issues, but the way the estate changed and went downhill over the years was not something I'd really anticipated.
OutInTheShed said:
OTOH, some new builds are keenly priced, especially when compared with buying a used home and putting a new kitchen and bathrooms in it.
I don't know how rare/common this is nowadays, but, years ago, I bought a new build flat which was not only cheaper than comparable conversions but was bigger and had a dedicated parking space. The developer was having a cash crisis and desperate to convert remaining completed/near completed properties into cash. Maybe such bargains are no longer to be had!Zetec-S said:
the way the estate changed and went downhill over the years was not something I'd really anticipated.
This is something I've noticed on the estates I looked at, 5 years ago I looked at new builds and the two estates in the local market town are looking surprisingly shabby, I've actually gone to see the house I considered buying and the next house to it has a nice pallet fence so lucky escape there.I'm sure not all new build estates go down so quickly and if the OP is looking at a private development, ie someone has sold the field at the back of their house accessed through a small access road then they seem to hold up rather well.
Our first house together was a new build back in 1986 and then we moved to another new build 18 months later and then another new build around 7 years after that.
The first was a terrace on a small estate , the second part of 4 detached and the third part of 2 detached.
We then went completely the other way and bought a 400 year old listed building.
Disadvantage with new is the fact that you have to then organise everything that doesn’t come with or is negotiated with the purchase , on estates in particular the plot is relatively small and certainly smaller than its “ used “ older style and also that they carry a premium initially.
Some of this is more of budgetary than actual issue though.
Quality can also vary with the different builders.
Site manager ability is important but not something necessarily ascertained until or if there is an issue.
2 of our children have recently moved - one into a new build ( his first house ) which he wanted as someone non practical but has very much enjoyed the process of then kitting it out.
The quality of fittings and general build seems pretty decent.
The other hates the idea of a new house and has moved to a 70’s house which albeit in a different cheaper county from a sq ft pov is much better value.
The first was a terrace on a small estate , the second part of 4 detached and the third part of 2 detached.
We then went completely the other way and bought a 400 year old listed building.
Disadvantage with new is the fact that you have to then organise everything that doesn’t come with or is negotiated with the purchase , on estates in particular the plot is relatively small and certainly smaller than its “ used “ older style and also that they carry a premium initially.
Some of this is more of budgetary than actual issue though.
Quality can also vary with the different builders.
Site manager ability is important but not something necessarily ascertained until or if there is an issue.
2 of our children have recently moved - one into a new build ( his first house ) which he wanted as someone non practical but has very much enjoyed the process of then kitting it out.
The quality of fittings and general build seems pretty decent.
The other hates the idea of a new house and has moved to a 70’s house which albeit in a different cheaper county from a sq ft pov is much better value.
With current availability of trades and material prices, I think you’re likely correct in saying you wont see that money again. If its not a forever home, I would suspect the upheaval of significant extension/renovation/changes wouldn’t be that dissimilar to just moving elsewhere.
Our last house was new build, within a very large development. Few thoughts on “new build”
Profile suggests you’re in southernish England, what construction method? YouTube recently expanded my knowledge a bit on the different construction methods down your way. [Was trying to explain double skinned block build to my other half and all of a sudden I’m seeing something built on a metal framework with only really an outer block skin, kinda similar to how we build timber frame up this way] New build is a very broad brush and different constructions would have different quirks or specific areas where things can go wrong.
Definitely research which new build companies in your specific area produce with best quality products. Some builders have a murky name for quality nationally, but there will be regional variations on them all. Builder with a good name nationally but a poor local set of site managers won’t likely live up to expectations.
If you’re buying in an estate, make sure you understand the journey and end point for the estate. When we moved in to our last house, it was within the first tranches of the development. The full outline plan will take decades to complete, totaling something like 2500 houses. When we bought, Taylor Wimpey were finishing their first phase which has roughly 100, Bellway were midway through their first 100 and our developer was building 20. The next 3 phases didn’t impact us, but then Taylor Wimpey came back to build their second phase. The council mucked up the planning conditions, all of a sudden we have 2 years of construction traffic going along our street followed by an additional 120 houses worth of traffic, half of whom seemed intent on seeing just how fast they could hit the speed table outside our house before their car would actually go airborne. There should have been a second access road installed before any of this started, but the consent mucked this up. The additional traffic rapidly made it far less pleasant live in the area, and with yet more houses being planned down there I think we got out at the right time.
Further to the access road point above, try and fully understand the commitment to what is meant to be provided within the development. Some examples from our previous estate;
- There was meant to be a children’s playpark provided by the time the 100th house was occupied, a second playpark by the 300th, a third by the 500th etc. We moved in mid-2015, there were over 100 houses occupied at that point. The first park, after much local resident campaigning, was finally completed just in time for summer 2022, by which time there were north of 700 houses occupied
- “Village hub” sounds delightful, small coffee shop etc. Reality was 2 large corrugated steel clad buildings with 25 parking spaces, a co-op and Dominoes pizza which bring loads of traffic in to the estate and leave plenty of rubbish blowing all over the place
- “Public transport hub,” 15 years in, there’s a couple of bus stops which have no bus service
Our last house was new build, within a very large development. Few thoughts on “new build”
Profile suggests you’re in southernish England, what construction method? YouTube recently expanded my knowledge a bit on the different construction methods down your way. [Was trying to explain double skinned block build to my other half and all of a sudden I’m seeing something built on a metal framework with only really an outer block skin, kinda similar to how we build timber frame up this way] New build is a very broad brush and different constructions would have different quirks or specific areas where things can go wrong.
Definitely research which new build companies in your specific area produce with best quality products. Some builders have a murky name for quality nationally, but there will be regional variations on them all. Builder with a good name nationally but a poor local set of site managers won’t likely live up to expectations.
If you’re buying in an estate, make sure you understand the journey and end point for the estate. When we moved in to our last house, it was within the first tranches of the development. The full outline plan will take decades to complete, totaling something like 2500 houses. When we bought, Taylor Wimpey were finishing their first phase which has roughly 100, Bellway were midway through their first 100 and our developer was building 20. The next 3 phases didn’t impact us, but then Taylor Wimpey came back to build their second phase. The council mucked up the planning conditions, all of a sudden we have 2 years of construction traffic going along our street followed by an additional 120 houses worth of traffic, half of whom seemed intent on seeing just how fast they could hit the speed table outside our house before their car would actually go airborne. There should have been a second access road installed before any of this started, but the consent mucked this up. The additional traffic rapidly made it far less pleasant live in the area, and with yet more houses being planned down there I think we got out at the right time.
Further to the access road point above, try and fully understand the commitment to what is meant to be provided within the development. Some examples from our previous estate;
- There was meant to be a children’s playpark provided by the time the 100th house was occupied, a second playpark by the 300th, a third by the 500th etc. We moved in mid-2015, there were over 100 houses occupied at that point. The first park, after much local resident campaigning, was finally completed just in time for summer 2022, by which time there were north of 700 houses occupied
- “Village hub” sounds delightful, small coffee shop etc. Reality was 2 large corrugated steel clad buildings with 25 parking spaces, a co-op and Dominoes pizza which bring loads of traffic in to the estate and leave plenty of rubbish blowing all over the place
- “Public transport hub,” 15 years in, there’s a couple of bus stops which have no bus service
POIDH said:
Op, I was in exactly your position about 18 months ago. Spend big on old house renovations - with the time, hassle and far from ideal old plot and old house. Or move.
See my update on P2 of this thread:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Thank you- could you repost the link as it doesn't seem to work See my update on P2 of this thread:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
and i'd really like to read itWe’ve two very similar homes, one in Newcastle and one in London. One’s fifteen years old, one’s 170. They are very similar (five story, terraced, about 400 sq metres), with the old one having parking in a mews building and the new one having a communal garage running under the street.
Both are pretty similar quality, the new one has had corners cut in a couple of areas but the old one has some annoying issues too that are a pain if we want them dealt with, so it’s definitively the case that new build can be up there in quality terms with offer ones.
I suppose it’s all down to the developer. The new one did have one area of cost-cutting, with the kitchen being a bit s
t, as apparently they realised that they’d built to a higher spec / cost than the selling price could offset, but all the important stuff (structure, plumbing, design, electrics etc.) is spot on.
Both are pretty similar quality, the new one has had corners cut in a couple of areas but the old one has some annoying issues too that are a pain if we want them dealt with, so it’s definitively the case that new build can be up there in quality terms with offer ones.
I suppose it’s all down to the developer. The new one did have one area of cost-cutting, with the kitchen being a bit s
t, as apparently they realised that they’d built to a higher spec / cost than the selling price could offset, but all the important stuff (structure, plumbing, design, electrics etc.) is spot on.Gassing Station | Homes, Gardens and DIY | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff