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NDA

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21,775 posts

227 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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I'm having huge difficulty finding a plasterer to do a bit of rendering around an exterior chimney breast - not a huge area, maybe chopping out and re-doing an area that's 4 foot wide by 3 foot deep. Ground level - easy access.

Finally found someone to come up to the house the other day who said it would be two days work - chopping out, scratch-keying/preparing the area and then another day to re-plaster.

I'd have thought it was a days work at most - but I'm not a plasterer. I'm not being miserly, just curious.

What say you?


Slagathore

5,827 posts

194 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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I'm not sure about the preperation stuff, but a day to render 4ftx3ft? I think that might be a bit of a piss-take

Is it a fancy finish or something?




B17NNS

18,506 posts

249 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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To be fair there will be a bit of drying time involved.

He will (or should) put two coats on. First coat will be scratched and allowed to go off ideally overnight. Second coat will then go on but it will need to dry out quite a bit before he can rub it up to a decent finish.

Maybe not 2 days solid hard work but he will be there for 2 days.

NDA

Original Poster:

21,775 posts

227 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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That's useful info - thanks.... so 2 days is maybe acceptable then.

It's not a fancy finish, but it's a nice house and it's always in the back of my mind that quotes are inflated to match the estimated size of pocket.

B17NNS

18,506 posts

249 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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How much was the quote out of interest?

NDA

Original Poster:

21,775 posts

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Sunday 3rd May 2009
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B17NNS said:
How much was the quote out of interest?
He came a week ago and I'm still waiting for his quote.

I thought people were desperate for work! I'm imagining a day rate of maybe £150 - although two of them turned up.

tony m

428 posts

265 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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it wont be two full days but it will be two visits,depending on the suction with the second coat you could be hanging around for a while,

andy43

9,843 posts

256 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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If he's half-decent, he'll know what backing to use (thicker first/scratch coat) to let him skim it same day.
Two days for 4 foot square is nuts.
Plasterers I've had let the backing go off for a couple of hours then skim it when there's still some moisture in the first coat - stops the skim coat going off too quickly.
A day.

V12Les

3,985 posts

198 months

Sunday 3rd May 2009
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tony m said:
it wont be two full days but it will be two visits,depending on the suction with the second coat you could be hanging around for a while,
Agree.
Prep and scratch coat one morning and return the following morning for second coat. Only enough work for one guy and allow somewhere in the region of £250-to low £300 based on your brief. Im sure thats what they ment by two days work.

tony m

428 posts

265 months

Monday 4th May 2009
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andy43 said:
If he's half-decent, he'll know what backing to use (thicker first/scratch coat) to let him skim it same day.
Two days for 4 foot square is nuts.
Plasterers I've had let the backing go off for a couple of hours then skim it when there's still some moisture in the first coat - stops the skim coat going off too quickly.
A day.
skim coat outside?you dont know what your talking about

Busamav

2,954 posts

210 months

Monday 4th May 2009
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tony m said:
andy43 said:
If he's half-decent, he'll know what backing to use (thicker first/scratch coat) to let him skim it same day.
Two days for 4 foot square is nuts.
Plasterers I've had let the backing go off for a couple of hours then skim it when there's still some moisture in the first coat - stops the skim coat going off too quickly.
A day.
skim coat outside?you dont know what your talking about
Harsh , but very fair smile

andy43

9,843 posts

256 months

Monday 4th May 2009
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Okaaaay, our last house - 3 sided rendered extension - all the first coat done first - rough scratch coat/backing coat/whatever.
Then top/skim/whatever coat put on days afterwards. Fair enough.

But when we had an old guy fix up a bay window area that had loosened and had bits drop off after the windows were changed.. there was about a chimney breasts worth once the loose stuff had been knocked off... thick layer on first, a good half an inch to an inch thick, he hen made the surface rough with a pronged trowel, had his lunch and newspaper, then did the top coat, smoothed off with a bit of carpet on a plasterers trowel. And I definitely remember he did say it was easier doing the top coat with the bottom one still damp. What materials he used - no idea. He was gone in a day, and the stuff didn't fall off (well, for the two years or so we had the house afterwards anyway...).
But I bow to the voice of experience - I'm not a plasterer smile

B17NNS

18,506 posts

249 months

Monday 4th May 2009
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andy43 said:
If he's half-decent, he'll know what backing to use (thicker first/scratch coat) to let him skim it same day.
Two days for 4 foot square is nuts.
Plasterers I've had let the backing go off for a couple of hours then skim it when there's still some moisture in the first coat - stops the skim coat going off too quickly.
A day.
What you have described is float and set and yes that is the correct way of doing it. However this is only for internal use and you would use bonding or hardwall followed by multifinish.

Sand and cement rendering is a completely different animal with drying times to match.

NDA

Original Poster:

21,775 posts

227 months

Tuesday 5th May 2009
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I'm still waiting for my quote....

Any PH Plasterers in Surrey? smile