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I'd like to get an integrated fire-door-style door closer for my outward opening back door, so that if left open it won;t get caught by the wind and blown off it's hinges.
However these are advertised as having a max opening angle of 110 degrees, but I want my door to open wider than that (approx 170deg on to a latch) so my question is:
If I fitted one, what would happen when I try and open the door >110deg? I imagine one of either:
However these are advertised as having a max opening angle of 110 degrees, but I want my door to open wider than that (approx 170deg on to a latch) so my question is:
If I fitted one, what would happen when I try and open the door >110deg? I imagine one of either:
- not a lot, door opens, all fine
- end of travel reached, closer bends, gets ripped out
- chain drags and grinds
Edited by tom g on Wednesday 15th July 11:21
Edited by tom g on Wednesday 15th July 11:41
GreenDog said:
Not an answer to your original question but these were in my Dads house when he first moved in - they don't half make your doors slam shut so not ideal if there are children about, especially with a heavy external door.
Amen to that, these things are absolutely vicious if you have children. Seriously, they close internal doors at such a rate as to **easily** sever little fingers. I have removed all ours. They are no longer part of regs either, presumably because the risk of fire is lower than the risk of injury. miniman said:
GreenDog said:
Not an answer to your original question but these were in my Dads house when he first moved in - they don't half make your doors slam shut so not ideal if there are children about, especially with a heavy external door.
Amen to that, these things are absolutely vicious if you have children. Seriously, they close internal doors at such a rate as to **easily** sever little fingers. I have removed all ours. They are no longer part of regs either, presumably because the risk of fire is lower than the risk of injury. although you can adjust the tension, so it's less vicious...
PS: overhead closer out of the question as it's a stable door!
PPS: maybe a hydraulic jamb closer would be best, to close slowly and safely, and I'll have to live with reduced opening.
Edited by tom g on Wednesday 15th July 13:26
miniman said:
We've got one of those, after about a year it ripped itself and the wood it was screwed to away from the door. Make sure you use lonnnnnnnnnnng screws to hold it in place and spread the load.Shaolin said:
miniman said:
We've got one of those, after about a year it ripped itself and the wood it was screwed to away from the door. Make sure you use lonnnnnnnnnnng screws to hold it in place and spread the load.won;t it close a door in exactly the same way as a concealed jamb closer? i.e. viciously?
won't the bulk of its body get in the way of the door opening more than say 110 degrees?
Tom,
Can I suggest speaking to a very good friend of mine. Bob Hewitt (pm'ed you his number...;))
Bob works for a firm called Geze (pronounced gatesy) who manufacture over 50% of all commercial/domestic door closers. He will be able to tell you what the best unit to buy for a barn style door and what is safe for fitting around children. He has supplied and fitted all my door closers at work and at home.
HTH
Kev Foley
Can I suggest speaking to a very good friend of mine. Bob Hewitt (pm'ed you his number...;))
Bob works for a firm called Geze (pronounced gatesy) who manufacture over 50% of all commercial/domestic door closers. He will be able to tell you what the best unit to buy for a barn style door and what is safe for fitting around children. He has supplied and fitted all my door closers at work and at home.
HTH
Kev Foley
Edited by KevF on Thursday 16th July 19:03
KevF said:
Tom,
Can I suggest speaking to a very good friend of mine. Bob Hewitt on 0******.
Bob works for a firm called Geze (pronounced gatesy) who manufacture over 50% of all commercial/domestic door closers. He will be able to tell you what the best unit to buy for a barn style door and what is safe for fitting around children. He has supplied and fitted all my door closers at work and at home.
HTH
Kev Foley
Thanks, I may well do, but are you sure he wants his mobile no. on a public forum?Can I suggest speaking to a very good friend of mine. Bob Hewitt on 0******.
Bob works for a firm called Geze (pronounced gatesy) who manufacture over 50% of all commercial/domestic door closers. He will be able to tell you what the best unit to buy for a barn style door and what is safe for fitting around children. He has supplied and fitted all my door closers at work and at home.
HTH
Kev Foley
cheers
Tom
tom g said:
that looks good, but:
won;t it close a door in exactly the same way as a concealed jamb closer? i.e. viciously?
won't the bulk of its body get in the way of the door opening more than say 110 degrees?
- no, more gentle closure, especially as it approaches fully shutwon;t it close a door in exactly the same way as a concealed jamb closer? i.e. viciously?
won't the bulk of its body get in the way of the door opening more than say 110 degrees?
- yes, just tried it, gets to about 120 degrees max
Are you not requiring a type of Door stay, as appose to a door closer;
http://www.ashleysonline.co.uk/MSearch.aspx?SubCat...
http://www.ashleysonline.co.uk/MSearch.aspx?SubCat...
Rather than start a new thread I just wanted to ask a question about door closers.
Out house originally had them, I presumed this was because it was previously a rented house so I removed them (yes I know they're there for safety).
Anyway, we now think that we should put them back as they're meant to be there for insurance purposes (it's a three storey house btw).
My question is, the doors are the usual internal hollow doors, can I put a discrete closer on the door? Is there any reason why a discrete door closer is better/worse than a
This rather than this
Out house originally had them, I presumed this was because it was previously a rented house so I removed them (yes I know they're there for safety).
Anyway, we now think that we should put them back as they're meant to be there for insurance purposes (it's a three storey house btw).
My question is, the doors are the usual internal hollow doors, can I put a discrete closer on the door? Is there any reason why a discrete door closer is better/worse than a
This rather than this
Laurel Green said:
The overhead closer, being hydraulic, will close slowly and without the fast closing bang of the 'tother one.
Ah cheers, that makes more sense. Next question, which overhead one should I buy? i just want one that can be adjusted so that it closes without a bang and not too quick that a child could get injured. Do I need to spend £50+ or will something like the one I've linked to above suffice?The one in your link should be OK. Mind, I did notice a ScrewFix add on here (PH) that was advertising the same closer for around £15. Perhaps they now have a special offer going? What I would suggest is, purchase one and, make sure that a good fix can be had on your hollow doors before going any further (you did say yours were hollow didn't you?). Which, thinking about it, means they are not fire-check doors so there really is no need for closers; unless of course you just happen to prefer them to be self-closing.
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