Discussion
For those of you with amazing memories you may recall I was considering having wooden flooring installed in our hallway and living room. After having a sizeable sample board inthe living room we've now decided against that and have opted to retain the cosy feel that a carpet gives.
So with that what carpet do would be the PH recommendation?
There are only two of us in house with three mostly clean dogs so massive traffic won't be an issue although very easy clean would be desirable. I love a thick pile luxurious carpet and that is what I would be aiming for so I guess the next question is where to buy from. Is Carpet World to be avoided or are they as good as any?
Budget for floor was 65 sq/m and I've no idea if a quality carpet is more or less than that!
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ETA the carpet we currently have was the one that came supplied with the (new build) house so not the greatest quality
So with that what carpet do would be the PH recommendation?
There are only two of us in house with three mostly clean dogs so massive traffic won't be an issue although very easy clean would be desirable. I love a thick pile luxurious carpet and that is what I would be aiming for so I guess the next question is where to buy from. Is Carpet World to be avoided or are they as good as any?
Budget for floor was 65 sq/m and I've no idea if a quality carpet is more or less than that!
ta!
ETA the carpet we currently have was the one that came supplied with the (new build) house so not the greatest quality
Edited by raf_gti on Monday 30th November 23:04
The underlay that impresed me most was like the gym mats you have at school for PE. As new after 20 years.
Compare that with the stuff you get 'for free', which can turn into black goo after 4 years...
I suggested to a carpet bloke that perhaps the old carpet would make a good underlay for the new, but he said it would walk.
Compare that with the stuff you get 'for free', which can turn into black goo after 4 years...
I suggested to a carpet bloke that perhaps the old carpet would make a good underlay for the new, but he said it would walk.
Source the underlay directly yourself - carpet shops will usually headline the price for the carpet and appear to offer big discounts, but then sting you on underlay - only quoting a final total price so you don't realise it
Cloud 9 Cumulus 11mm for me every time : http://www.tradepriced.co.uk/
Cloud 9 Cumulus 11mm for me every time : http://www.tradepriced.co.uk/
beedj said:
Source the underlay directly yourself - carpet shops will usually headline the price for the carpet and appear to offer big discounts, but then sting you on underlay - only quoting a final total price so you don't realise it
Agreed, but if you say 'I've already got the underlay thanks' do they give you a fair reduction? And I suppose they would take the chance to say it voids their warranty...Simpo Two said:
beedj said:
Source the underlay directly yourself - carpet shops will usually headline the price for the carpet and appear to offer big discounts, but then sting you on underlay - only quoting a final total price so you don't realise it
Agreed, but if you say 'I've already got the underlay thanks' do they give you a fair reduction? And I suppose they would take the chance to say it voids their warranty...No reduction on the carpet price, as this never includes the fitting cost anyway. CapertRight are currently charging £2.20 a metre fitting, with a 9.5mm TreadAire underlay at £7.99 sqm and gripper rods at £2.11 a metre.
I've saved a considerable amount by using tradepriced.co.uk and paying the £20 surcharge.
Edited by apguy on Thursday 3rd December 10:44
For a hallway I would recommend you buy a crumb rubber underlay. Such as John Lewis Crumb or Duralay Tredmore (available from most good independent retailers).
It is the best choice for high traffic areas such as your hallway where people are more likely to be walking in shoes as opposed to socks.
Crumb runner is made from around 80 percent rubber from used car tyres (about 1 tyre per every square metre). It is the high quality of the rubber formulation used in car tyres that makes it extremely long lasting and resilient. This resilience will help the carpet pile recover after being stood on. Because the pile is pushed back up rather than left flattened it is easier to clean, so stays looking better for longer.
Carpet is not naturally soft. It is what you place under it that provides the softness. Best not to skimp on it as the 'softness' is a large part of the new carpet experience.
Products such as Cloud 9 or Treadaire Dreamwalk are fine, they are comfy underfoot but I would not use them for the hallway. They are PU foam which is essentially compacted off-cuts of furniture foam from the from the sofa and car seat industry. You have to consider which is going to wear better over the next 5-10 years a tyre or a sofa? I have personally seen crumb rubber underlay that have been down for 20+ years and are still in fair condition. In half that time other types of underlay can go flat or turn to dust.
If you are bothered about green credentials Crumb is the only underlay product made from recycled material. PU foam is not recycled, it is classed as post industrial waste. Plus it won't need changing the next time you renew the carpet.
Just to declare an interest, I work within the underlay & flooring industry. We manufacture all types of underlay: crumb, sponge and PU, so I have nothing to gain by recommending one over the other. Crumb Rubber is simply the most suitable product for your particular application.
All the best!
Bob.
It is the best choice for high traffic areas such as your hallway where people are more likely to be walking in shoes as opposed to socks.
Crumb runner is made from around 80 percent rubber from used car tyres (about 1 tyre per every square metre). It is the high quality of the rubber formulation used in car tyres that makes it extremely long lasting and resilient. This resilience will help the carpet pile recover after being stood on. Because the pile is pushed back up rather than left flattened it is easier to clean, so stays looking better for longer.
Carpet is not naturally soft. It is what you place under it that provides the softness. Best not to skimp on it as the 'softness' is a large part of the new carpet experience.
Products such as Cloud 9 or Treadaire Dreamwalk are fine, they are comfy underfoot but I would not use them for the hallway. They are PU foam which is essentially compacted off-cuts of furniture foam from the from the sofa and car seat industry. You have to consider which is going to wear better over the next 5-10 years a tyre or a sofa? I have personally seen crumb rubber underlay that have been down for 20+ years and are still in fair condition. In half that time other types of underlay can go flat or turn to dust.
If you are bothered about green credentials Crumb is the only underlay product made from recycled material. PU foam is not recycled, it is classed as post industrial waste. Plus it won't need changing the next time you renew the carpet.
Just to declare an interest, I work within the underlay & flooring industry. We manufacture all types of underlay: crumb, sponge and PU, so I have nothing to gain by recommending one over the other. Crumb Rubber is simply the most suitable product for your particular application.
All the best!
Bob.
Edited by bobfrance on Thursday 3rd December 11:25
I was recommended a Cormar carpet from the guy in the shop, it was coming in @ £24 sq m and was an 80/20 wool/nylon blend.
It was not quite as luxurious looking as I was hoping for but was assured it would retain its shape from new so look better in the long term.
Any experience of that brand?
It was not quite as luxurious looking as I was hoping for but was assured it would retain its shape from new so look better in the long term.
Any experience of that brand?
Well now, I've just speaking with the carpet shop and apparently our house was fitted with Cormar throughout, even if it near the bottom of their range, it was £19.99 sq/m apparently (retail). Unfortunatley they did use the cheapest of underlay which may go someway to explain how the appearance has suffered in 18 months.
Would it be worthwhile to have the carpet professionally cleaned and have quality underlay fitted or is the damage most likely already done?
They also had Jacaranda carpet in and I fell in love, 100% wool with a very deep pile although not cheap at £50 sq/m, any experience of this at all?
Would it be worthwhile to have the carpet professionally cleaned and have quality underlay fitted or is the damage most likely already done?
They also had Jacaranda carpet in and I fell in love, 100% wool with a very deep pile although not cheap at £50 sq/m, any experience of this at all?
I'll ask a quick question here rather than starting a new thread..
Any recommendations for underlay/carpet over underfloor heating? I gather it can be done if the right products are used. The UFH is barely needed, so a little loss of efficiency really isn't a problem. This is for lounge, office and guest bedroom, so it's more at the comfort than hardwearing end of things.
Any recommendations for underlay/carpet over underfloor heating? I gather it can be done if the right products are used. The UFH is barely needed, so a little loss of efficiency really isn't a problem. This is for lounge, office and guest bedroom, so it's more at the comfort than hardwearing end of things.
Tuna said:
I'll ask a quick question here rather than starting a new thread..
Any recommendations for underlay/carpet over underfloor heating? I gather it can be done if the right products are used. The UFH is barely needed, so a little loss of efficiency really isn't a problem. This is for lounge, office and guest bedroom, so it's more at the comfort than hardwearing end of things.
http://www.tradepriced.co.uk/carpet_underlay.htmlAny recommendations for underlay/carpet over underfloor heating? I gather it can be done if the right products are used. The UFH is barely needed, so a little loss of efficiency really isn't a problem. This is for lounge, office and guest bedroom, so it's more at the comfort than hardwearing end of things.
here, I've just bought a new knee kicker from here as I wore my old one out (cheap B&Q job) it was cheaper than the old one and much better quality.
The underlay you need is listed on the link, I guess you just use a different underlay and normal carpet (I've only put electric underfloor heating under tile myself so have no real experience) and lay as normal (again I've only laid carpet on "normal" floors so can't give you a definitive answer!)
a bit late, Don't even consider one of the large chains, they are a complete con. even with the alleged 90% off I can still beat them by a dedent margin and with that you would get a proper tradesman not someone of the streets which they seem to employ. stick to your local companies and use someone who has done a good job for a family member or friend. £20 a yard will get you a heavy wearing 80% wool 20% poly, 50-60oz carpet that would more than suit the needs of the average household. pm me for some advice if you wish.
ps the gripper rods should be free with fitting as they only cost us £17 for 500 feet. The best underlay available on the market in my opinion is cloud 9 (the 11 mm one ) which you should not pay more than £5 a yard for.
so in summary for a 13 foot by 15 foot room in an excellent quality carpet with underlay and fitting ( and aluminium doorplate at £5 each ( we only pay a max of £2) you should be looking at £600 and thats for the best product fitted and finished. for something bedroom quality as you only walk on approx 20% of it you should be looking at half of that.
hope I'm not too late !
ps the gripper rods should be free with fitting as they only cost us £17 for 500 feet. The best underlay available on the market in my opinion is cloud 9 (the 11 mm one ) which you should not pay more than £5 a yard for.
so in summary for a 13 foot by 15 foot room in an excellent quality carpet with underlay and fitting ( and aluminium doorplate at £5 each ( we only pay a max of £2) you should be looking at £600 and thats for the best product fitted and finished. for something bedroom quality as you only walk on approx 20% of it you should be looking at half of that.
hope I'm not too late !
bonsai said:
Anyone know how shag pile has evolved over the years? Have they invented a type that doesn't go flat or show the most trodden path yet?
no unfortunately not, The new man made fibres are ace, stain resistant, bleach cleanable and electric shock free. A good hoover once a day will keep the pile nice and fluffy !
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