Connecting a phone line - can i DIY?

[mattman]

Hope you can help - Our house currently has a single phone line coming into the house and is joined in the 3 pairs to the primary line within the house.
That all works fine as it stands, but the phone point is in the wrong place in the house.

The previous owners had installed a phone line in the study, which has been disconnected.

Therefore, is it simply a case of disconnecting the incoming phone wires and the current primary line, and twisting them together with the associated pairs to the line that goes to the study?

currently the joints have litle clear plastic joints - do I really need them or will twist and electrical tape do the job? if I do, are they the sort of thing B&Q sell?

Thanks

[annodomini2]

Messing with the wiring of the master socket (where the line comes into the main box) is illegal.

You can add an extension which connects to the feed through on the back of the faceplate.

[bimsb6]

technically illegal as said above ,best bet would be to find a friendly bt engineer to change it over for you ,the crimp connectors you found you are unlikely to find any for sale and if you did they come in boxes of 500 ! is it doable to connect the old 2nd line socket as an extn of the house line ? if the wiring is in the correct location it could be cut and reterminated onto the nte5 front plate where the line comes in .

[freecar]

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

[Tiggsy]

As above...fiddled with ours to get a line going to the Sky box....not had the police round yet!

[bimsb6]

freecar said:

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

that's a completely different scenario to what the op is suggesting ,the front plate on the nte is designed for you to connect extns yourself .

[freecar]

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

that's a completely different scenario to what the op is suggesting ,the front plate on the nte is designed for you to connect extns yourself .

How so? OP has a phone point in the house, I opened our phone point and connected wires inside.

I can't see the difference.

[bimsb6]

freecar said:

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

that's a completely different scenario to what the op is suggesting ,the front plate on the nte is designed for you to connect extns yourself .

How so? OP has a phone point in the house, I opened our phone point and connected wires inside.

I can't see the difference.

that's because you are not a comms engineer and can't see the complications ,i do this for a living .

[Plotloss]

fking about with st upstream of the master is an offence under the Telecommuncations Act, believe it or not.

[Simpo Two]

Everything's either illegal or compulsory.

[freecar]

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

that's a completely different scenario to what the op is suggesting ,the front plate on the nte is designed for you to connect extns yourself .

How so? OP has a phone point in the house, I opened our phone point and connected wires inside.

I can't see the difference.

that's because you are not a comms engineer and can't see the complications ,i do this for a living .

Thanks for the put down but I still don't understand. The OP has one phone socket. We had one phone socket. The OP wants more phone lines through his house, as did we. I connected them to the only phone socket in the house. They've worked for the past 16 years or so.

Unless "phone point" means something other than the point at which you'd plug a phone in.

And to the folk saying it's illegal. So are a lot of things, it doesn't stop me doing those either. I work by one rule, no victim, no crime. BT wouldn't have been a victim in this case as if they had caught us tampering with the line they would have charged us for any repair work.

[bimsb6]

freecar said:

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

that's a completely different scenario to what the op is suggesting ,the front plate on the nte is designed for you to connect extns yourself .

How so? OP has a phone point in the house, I opened our phone point and connected wires inside.

I can't see the difference.

that's because you are not a comms engineer and can't see the complications ,i do this for a living .

Thanks for the put down but I still don't understand. The OP has one phone socket. We had one phone socket. The OP wants more phone lines through his house, as did we. I connected them to the only phone socket in the house. They've worked for the past 16 years or so.

Unless "phone point" means something other than the point at which you'd plug a phone in.

And to the folk saying it's illegal. So are a lot of things, it doesn't stop me doing those either. I work by one rule, no victim, no crime. BT wouldn't have been a victim in this case as if they had caught us tampering with the line they would have charged us for any repair work.

not meant any disrespect chap ,but reread original post he isn't connecting an extn he is suggesting moving his master socket by messing with the feed coming in ,there are so many different colour codes that could be involved and so many different scenarios as to how the line is fed into the house and then split to the 2 different locations it's not at all straighforward to advise how he should go about it without seeing it, apart from the fact you're not allowed to .

[anonymous-user]

It isn't illegal it's against the T&C's of the line provision & any half decent BT engineer wouldn't give two sts if you fitted your own NTE5 master to an already working line. (I've not come across one that cares in 15 years nor heard of one person being locked up or taken to court(funnily enough). BT's very own indian call centre staff will advise you can fit your own decorative master socket these days (As they advised me when reporting a line fault).

[freecar]

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

bimsb6 said:

freecar said:

We had the same deal, only one phone line, I just opened it up and added another set of wires over the original ones, they were pushed in between blades that went through the insulation, the socket kit came with a tool for doing the wiring, it was easy.

that's a completely different scenario to what the op is suggesting ,the front plate on the nte is designed for you to connect extns yourself .

How so? OP has a phone point in the house, I opened our phone point and connected wires inside.

I can't see the difference.

that's because you are not a comms engineer and can't see the complications ,i do this for a living .

Thanks for the put down but I still don't understand. The OP has one phone socket. We had one phone socket. The OP wants more phone lines through his house, as did we. I connected them to the only phone socket in the house. They've worked for the past 16 years or so.

Unless "phone point" means something other than the point at which you'd plug a phone in.

And to the folk saying it's illegal. So are a lot of things, it doesn't stop me doing those either. I work by one rule, no victim, no crime. BT wouldn't have been a victim in this case as if they had caught us tampering with the line they would have charged us for any repair work.

not meant any disrespect chap ,but reread original post he isn't connecting an extn he is suggesting moving his master socket by messing with the feed coming in ,there are so many different colour codes that could be involved and so many different scenarios as to how the line is fed into the house and then split to the 2 different locations it's not at all straighforward to advise how he should go about it without seeing it, apart from the fact you're not allowed to .

thanks for the reply
I think I understand now. He want to fiddle with the little box that the line comes in on. But why? You don't need to fill every phone socket for them to work (do you?) so why doesn't he just unplug phone from socket one and patch another socket from the back of the primary socket? I can't see the advantage of moving the incoming box.

[bimsb6]

Dave_ST220 said:

It isn't illegal it's against the T&C's of the line provision & any half decent BT engineer wouldn't give two sts if you fitted your own NTE5 master to an already working line. (I've not come across one that cares in 15 years nor heard of one person being locked up or taken to court(funnily enough). BT's very own indian call centre staff will advise you can fit your own decorative master socket these days (As they advised me when reporting a line fault).

bloody indians make it up as they go along ! if one of the new external nte's is fitted (still don't see many about ) then yes you can fit what you like but the first socket should still be an openreach/bt nte5 .unless the rules have changed and nobody has decided to let me know ,possible i suppose but not likely .

[anonymous-user]

bimsb6 said:

Dave_ST220 said:

It isn't illegal it's against the T&C's of the line provision & any half decent BT engineer wouldn't give two sts if you fitted your own NTE5 master to an already working line. (I've not come across one that cares in 15 years nor heard of one person being locked up or taken to court(funnily enough). BT's very own indian call centre staff will advise you can fit your own decorative master socket these days (As they advised me when reporting a line fault).

bloody indians make it up as they go along ! if one of the new external nte's is fitted (still don't see many about ) then yes you can fit what you like but the first socket should still be an openreach/bt nte5 .unless the rules have changed and nobody has decided to let me know ,possible i suppose but not likely .

All new builds have the external NTE(or they certainly do around here)which is maybe where they are coming from. Like i said though, i've not come across any BT engineer who cares so long as the socket that the end user has fitted is an NTE5.

[Rotor]

While on this subject, why does the phone(s) beep sometimes at night? is it Telecom testing the lines or something?

[bimsb6]

Rotor said:

While on this subject, why does the phone(s) beep sometimes at night? is it Telecom testing the lines or something?

could be ,there is a test system that tests thousands of lines a night and raises jobs against tests it thinks will be potentially charge affecting to the caller without a proper call being put through (if that makes sense ?) they come out as rtms tasks which stands for ring trip management systems ,these are not chargeable to the end user even if it is their equipment causing the fault .