removing walls and building control
removing walls and building control
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hoppo4.2

Original Poster:

1,548 posts

210 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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i want to remove 3 walls my house all 3 will require RSJ's installing the biggest being about 14ft.

looking at the council building control web site i need to fill in this form

http://idocs.blaby.gov.uk/external/planning-buildi...

no real detail required and i can start work after 48 hours.

my question is if they dont come out to see what im planning to do. how do i no that im doing it to there satisfaction?

Si 330

1,306 posts

233 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Have you instructed a structural engineer? if you haven't it will probably the best way forward.

hoppo4.2

Original Poster:

1,548 posts

210 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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do i really need to do that. norm would just get a big steel one im sure is bigger than needed and fit it.

shirt

25,077 posts

225 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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you can go down the route of getting a structural engineer, building control consent etc.

or, you can just hire a builder who know's what he's doing and crack on.

clarkey

1,413 posts

308 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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In my experience, the building inspectors are very helpful and approachable, and are great to deal with if you initiate the contact!
The inspector will almost certainly ask to see your calculations, and if you show him you'll have a quick visit. I'd say use a structural surveyor to do your calcs (about £250? £300?) then call building control, get him round, and he'll help you with the correct wording on the application.
The surveyor will massively overspec the RSJs to cover his arse, but at least you won't have any hassle.

herbialfa

1,489 posts

226 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Any structural work THEY WILL come out to check its too their satisfaction.

They will also ask for calcs (who is going to cover their erse if the building collapses???).

Plus, what happens when you go to sell and have a sharp solicitor dealing for the buyer????

Go down the proper route!

& make sure the steels are fire protected!

clarkey

1,413 posts

308 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Yep, fire resistance too - they'll ask for double thickness plasterboard....can make quite a difference to head room.

Busamav

2,954 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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You certainly can proceed on a building notice with just 48 hours notice.

For the removal of 3 walls the inspector should be asking for calculations for the beams, it is wise for you to submit these before you start the work.

On a building notice you may not get a completion certificate for the work , which could present you with a problem later on.

Can I ask why you do not wish to go the full plans route ?
It is nowadays cheaper than a building notice with most councils, as they are now loading the BN fees due to the hassle they can get.

herbialfa

1,489 posts

226 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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^^^^^ Agreed ^^^^^^

Si 330

1,306 posts

233 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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shirt said:
you can go down the route of getting a structural engineer, building control consent etc.







or, you can just hire a builder who know's what he's doing and crack on.
just this year we have 3 had jobs to sort out where things have been left to the builder. Taking 3 walls out wants a structural engineer to sort.

Edited by Si 330 on Wednesday 2nd February 19:06

clarkey

1,413 posts

308 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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For a similar job I think I was charged £300 for calcs, and about £300 for building control. The fee varies based on job cost - he suggested I included replacing the windows at the same time to avoid another application, and it was about 3% of the cost of the work.
Give them a call, you'll be surprised how helpful they are when you speak to them before you start the work!

Busamav

2,954 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Estimated cost of work £2,001 - £5,000

Plan fee £212.96

Inspections £255.55

They may accept the lower scale of up to £2000 , which will more than halve the cost.

Griff Boy

1,563 posts

255 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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shirt said:
you can go down the route of getting a structural engineer, building control consent etc.

or, you can just hire a builder who know's what he's doing and crack on.
I would never advise anyone to do this. Not only could it be potentially unsafe, but when you come to sell the property in the future they will ask for the building warrant, and you could find yourself in a bit of an awkward situation.....

hoppo4.2

Original Poster:

1,548 posts

210 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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to go full plans costs the same but seems to be alot work and time.

the cost of the work might be between 2 and 5 k if i was paying a builder to do it but i plan to do it all my self.

if they require calculations im quite happy to have them done any one no a good firm in the leicester area?


on an another subject. the loft of the property has been converted into a room some time in the 1930/40's i believe. the job looks to have been done very well. new suspended floor and proper access stairs and a dormer window.

i would like to replace the T&G walls with plaster boards and increase the size of the rottern dormer

how do you guys think i stand with the building regs people on that. i would just ask them but i have called then and just get told to fill in the for on the web page and look at the there faq's. not much help.

Gav147

983 posts

185 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Griff Boy said:
shirt said:
you can go down the route of getting a structural engineer, building control consent etc.

or, you can just hire a builder who know's what he's doing and crack on.
I would never advise anyone to do this. Not only could it be potentially unsafe, but when you come to sell the property in the future they will ask for the building warrant, and you could find yourself in a bit of an awkward situation.....
Agreed Griff Boy, Any builder "who know's what he is doing" would not carry out any structural works of this manor without building control and/or a structural engineer, if they are prepared to do so then I dare say they don't have a clue ...

Busamav

2,954 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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hoppo4.2 said:
to go full plans costs the same but seems to be alot work and time.

the cost of the work might be between 2 and 5 k if i was paying a builder to do it but i plan to do it all my self.
I noticed your council are yet to load a BN fee , most are now doing this.

Unfortunately the value of the works is on the cost if carried out by a builder , self build cost is no longer accepted .

Griff Boy

1,563 posts

255 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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Busamav said:
hoppo4.2 said:
to go full plans costs the same but seems to be alot work and time.

the cost of the work might be between 2 and 5 k if i was paying a builder to do it but i plan to do it all my self.
I noticed your council are yet to load a BN fee , most are now doing this.

Unfortunately the value of the works is on the cost if carried out by a builder , self build cost is no longer accepted .
I'm not sure if it's the same in England, but here in Scotland the councils also insist on a SER (structural engineers register) report to confirm the calculations on the drawings have been done by a qualified and competent person.


Busamav

2,954 posts

232 months

Wednesday 2nd February 2011
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no , not the same .

furtive

4,501 posts

303 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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Thread hijack, but what about if I am removing a non-load bearing stud wall? Do I need building control to look at it?

JR

14,266 posts

282 months

Thursday 3rd February 2011
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furtive said:
Thread hijack, but what about if I am removing a non-load bearing stud wall? Do I need building control to look at it?
No but be sure that it is non-load bearing. Most people ignor horizontal and bracing effects. Gravity is not the only load.