Wet garage floor
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scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Hi, I had a garage built summer time last year.

Once built I painted the inside walls white with masonry paint, and the floor with 2 pack floor paint.

Once all the snow melted at the end of Jan the floor was wet all over, looked like morning dew. It was still there when I went away right at the end of Jan and I just returned home to find its still there.

Its a block built garage with concrete floor, and 6 air bricks around it.

Any ideas why this would happen, my first thought was that the builder didnt use any dpc under the floor but why wouldnt they use it?


gra001

840 posts

251 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Condensation. Remedy???.............dehumidifier!!

B17NNS

18,506 posts

271 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Condensation.

If there was no DPM the moisture would still not be able to make it through the floor paint.

scottS3

Original Poster:

206 posts

207 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Ok guys, thanks for the relies.

Time to get myself a dehumidifier or two then!

scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Ok, I put a dehumidifier in there 24 hours ago and its drained about one and a half litres into the tray but the floor is still wet.
Would heating the space be beneficial as well or maybe blocking off some of the vent bricks?

It would be nice to have a dry garage!

JM

3,170 posts

230 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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To properly dehumidify the garage it needs to be pretty air-tight, so blocking the air-bricks would be a good idea. Also adding a bit of heat should help too, then let it run for 24-48 hours and see how it is then.


scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Ok thanks for the reply.

If I try to heat it, how big a heater do I need for a volume of around 250m^3?

First off though is trying to seal up all the air leaks.

Hoonabator

600 posts

250 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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hmmmmm this does seem odd. That much water just from humidity?

Are you sure something else isn't causing the problem.

scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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I have checked for leaks, and found none, nothing in the garage is wet apart from the floor and the wetness looks the same as the morning dew on your car etc.

Hoonabator

600 posts

250 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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I'd open the garage up, get some air flowing through it to dry it out and then just close it and see what happens.

scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Done that the other day, well over 2 days had the doors open all day and it didnt dry out 100% but was close.

The very next day it was damp again, although not to the same extent.

Gav147

983 posts

185 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Have the air bricks been put into purely to ventilate the garage?

If so I really can not see why they have been put in and these could possibly be the cause of the problem. This is just a thought and I could be wrong, but the garage will heat up during the day and retain a some of the heat over night, then when the outside air temperature drops on a night it will result in a cold airflow circulating around the floor area at the height of the air bricks which may be the cause of the dew/condensation forming on the floor, you probably wont have noticed it prior to painting as concrete is quite absorbent so before it was painted any moisture will have been soaked up by the concrete.

I would try blocking all the air bricks leave the door open for a day or so to dry out then (leaving the air bricks blocked)close the door and see if the problem persists.

scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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I assume they were put in for that reason, theres 11 of them around the garage as specified by the architects drawings.

I will block them up and see how things are after a while.

blackcab

1,259 posts

224 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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I get the same problem - Of a damp floor, I think its something to do with cold floor warm car etc that causes the condensation

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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I think blackcab is right, you need to regulate the temperature by adding some insulation. That should help prevent the floor (and other items in there) getting too cold during the very cold weather. When the weather warms up quickly warm moist air will find its way into your garage and hit the cold things - floor included. The cold things just don't warm up at the same rate meaning a high temperature differential which is what causes the condensation.

If you hadn't painted the floor then some of that condensation probably would have been absorbed by the concrete and you wouldn't have noticed it.

Ventilation will only help get the moist air out I don't think that in itself it will prevent condensation.

That's what I think anyway.

Mike

blackcab

1,259 posts

224 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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incidently I also have a painted epoxy floor covering - I can cope with the condensation but it gets slippy and sirty easily, my roof space is insulated as are the walls so insulation makes no difference, my only suggestion is to add a rubber matting to the floor to reduce the dew point -

to test this theory you could see what happens if you dont use the garage for a day or two

also do you have a tumbe dryer in the garage ? this makes ours really damp if you use it without leaving door open

scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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No tumble drier, and the garage doesnt get used for a month at a time when I'm offshore.

I'm going to try blocking off the vent bricks and running the dehumidifier and see how that goes, if that doesnt work then onto the next plan.

Thanks for all the input.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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That's interesting about your insulation but I see what you are saying about a floor covering to keep the warm air away from the cold surface, that makes sense.
Also, out of interest do you know if your concrete has any insulation under it?
Mike

scottS3

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206 posts

207 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Mine has no insulation underneath, just 5" of concrete.

blackcab

1,259 posts

224 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2011
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Dont block the airbricks without adding further ventilation, otherwise you could convert the condensation in to mould that will eat any timbers you have


our roof has a 110m PUR board over a metal standing seam deck, + 2 layers of felt membrane with 50mm PUR board to the walls, the floor is 150mm concrete with no insulation in it - it has only done this since I painted it with Epoxy paint so my instinct tells me to add some form of insulation to the floor using the rubber matts ( stable matting is cheap enough ) this should prevent the floor temp from dropping as much as it does and therefore may help to combat the condensation.

Good luck with it if you find a cure will you let me know