to spur from a spur, or fused connection then spur off that

[stolt]

hi there, trying to give us much info to make it easier to give me advice.

I have a utility room which has a double socket which has another double spur'd off it.

On the other side of the wall is a downstairs toilet that i want to fit a single socket in some boxing which will have a under cabinet mood light.

The pictures below are of the utility room and i want the socket on the far wall on the other side of that wall.


On the other side of the bathroom i want to put a socket which will not be used all the time, it will be in coat cupboard and i was just going to put a plug in light to help us see in the dark, plus my missus can use it for when shes hoovering.

Can i put a spur off the spur on that double if at first i put a fuse connection switch straight after the first double in the picture and then off that to a socket, then spur each socket off each other (need three sockets at most and none will be handling anything particularly heavy.

I've tried to explain it better by drawing it on picture. Hopefully this all makes sense


There are no other sockets near to either room, other than a extractor fan which i think will be removed when the downstairs bathroom is done.

thanks for taking the time to read through


the blue box in my last picture is the FCU .

Edited by stolt on Friday 22 April 00:24

[netherfield]

Looking at the closeness of the consumer unit why can't you include the new sockets in the ring or make another ring.

[cjs]

+1

Run it as a ring main, or run a new circuit off the consumer unit above, maybe there is a spare 'way' on the board?

[stolt]

hi thanks for the replies, i didnt want to start playing around with the consumer unit if icould hlp it, its pretty packed in there!!

[.:ian:.]

10 hours and no-one has pulled you up on fitting a socket in a bathroom without being a trained ninja electrician!

Being a utility room, what is the likelihood of the total load on all the sockets exceeding the rated capacity of the cable forming the spur? Vacuum cleaner? Washing machine? etc?

It looks like the first double has the ring main coming in, I would be tempted, for the sake of an extra run of cable, to extend the ring round all the sockets (except the one in the bathroom). Doubles the capacity and looks less like a bodgit-n-scarper job.

[cjs]

stolt said:

hi thanks for the replies, i didnt want to start playing around with the consumer unit if icould hlp it, its pretty packed in there!!

In that case extend the existing ring main. The first socket has two cables going to it, use one of these to extend the ring around all the new sockets and back again, in a loop. Use 2.5mm cable, make sure you sleeve the earth wire, everything must be earthed.

As mentioned you should not have a socket in the bathroom for the cabinet light, used a switched spur for this light, with a 5 amp fuse, try and position the spur outside of the bathroom.

If you are unsure then get an electrician to do the work or at least connect it up.

[stolt]

.:ian:. said:

10 hours and no-one has pulled you up on fitting a socket in a bathroom without being a trained ninja electrician!

Being a utility room, what is the likelihood of the total load on all the sockets exceeding the rated capacity of the cable forming the spur? Vacuum cleaner? Washing machine? etc?

It looks like the first double has the ring main coming in, I would be tempted, for the sake of an extra run of cable, to extend the ring round all the sockets (except the one in the bathroom). Doubles the capacity and looks less like a bodgit-n-scarper job.

hi i can see what you mean, the socket will be in recess and although an be accessed, it wont be easy and unless you know ts there it nobody will be able to touch it. Please dont laugh but it will be something like this!! this bathroom is on the othe side of that wall in the pictures (where ive put the single socket)

The first double socket is on the ring main, that why i though it might be easier to just put a unswitched fused connection then my sockets on from that. The washing machine, and fridge freezer /boiler/ immesion heater are off that grid switch that was recently installed. There is a spare 13amp module that isnt being used in that grid switch system.

I appreciate that you all think i'm going to kill myself, but the electrician who recently fitted the gird switch said i can put it all in place dont connect it up and for £30.00 will part p cert it for me.

the lights i'm going for is something like this..which once plugged in can be operated by a remote.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RGB-Colour-Changing-LED-Mood...

Edited by stolt on Friday 22 April 10:33

[cjs]

It will very easy to put 'manure' on the flowers.

[Ganglandboss]

You really need to get a spark in. No amount of advice over the internet will give you the necessary competence to do this work. What is also worrying is from those pictures alone, the wiring in general appears to be piss-poor. This is not a good starting point when undertaking alterations.

[stolt]

Ganglandboss said:

You really need to get a spark in. No amount of advice over the internet will give you the necessary competence to do this work. What is also worrying is from those pictures alone, the wiring in general appears to be piss-poor. This is not a good starting point when undertaking alterations.

see this is the trouble! that wiring was done by a electrician!!!! after having problems with the windows that have recently gone in, i have lost complete faith of any tradesmen that come round. I would say I would have done just as good of job if not better of mos of the tradesmen that have come round, really hard to find decent tradesmen. At least with that wall that you see it wll be tiled, nothing is going to be drilled etc.

[MonkeyHanger]

stolt said:

see this is the trouble! that wiring was done by a electrician!!!!.

I think you mean it was done by somebody claiming to be an Electrician.

[stolt]

MonkeyHanger said:

I think you mean it was done by somebody claiming to be an Electrician.

yep, this is trouble, if you dont know what your doing yourself and you get someone it that part p certifies work etc then i guess you have to trust what they say and do.