Swimming pool owners
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If you're starting from scratch and having a new pool installed your annual running costs will be insignificant relative to your installation costs.
I'm having my paving re-done next month - 15k. New electric cover too, also 15k. Manual solar covers and Winter covers are a lot cheaper, obviously, but quite fiddly.
Heating is about 100 quid a day, IIRC. I only use the pool at weekends, stick the boiler on on Friday morning, turn it off Saturday morning, stays at 30degC for a few days.
Chemicals will be a few hundred quid a year, again depends upon frequency of use. You can buy most stuff quite cheaply on-line once you know what you want.
Of course you'll need a nice Summer House to go with it, too!
Above sounds a bit negative but you do get a huge feel-good factor as you dive into your own pool, knowing that the water chemistry is absolutely perfect.
I'm having my paving re-done next month - 15k. New electric cover too, also 15k. Manual solar covers and Winter covers are a lot cheaper, obviously, but quite fiddly.
Heating is about 100 quid a day, IIRC. I only use the pool at weekends, stick the boiler on on Friday morning, turn it off Saturday morning, stays at 30degC for a few days.
Chemicals will be a few hundred quid a year, again depends upon frequency of use. You can buy most stuff quite cheaply on-line once you know what you want.
Of course you'll need a nice Summer House to go with it, too!
Above sounds a bit negative but you do get a huge feel-good factor as you dive into your own pool, knowing that the water chemistry is absolutely perfect.
Interesting question and I will be very interested to hear the answers from other people as prices seem to have risen a lot.
Last time I installed a pool was in 1997 and it was a small one (3m x 8m) which cost £12500! This was an inground pool with a roman end and an electric heater (back when economy 7 was cheap)
Fast forward last year when I went to get quotes on pools as I'd love to build one in our current house. We are looking at a 12m x 6m pool so only marginally smaller than yours.
Interesting the quotes varied depending on who you spoke to, but the cheapest quote was £65k for a liner pool and the most expensive was £120k for a fully tiled pool. This was including a roman end. Cheaper quotes = hopper shape, more expensive = wedge shape. Constant depth didn't seem to make difference to the price.
£20k of that was the safety cover as we have kids and pets so we really need to get one.
There are a load of variations based on types of heater / liner / tiles / pump / number of inlet valves etc etc
Let us know how you get on
Last time I installed a pool was in 1997 and it was a small one (3m x 8m) which cost £12500! This was an inground pool with a roman end and an electric heater (back when economy 7 was cheap)
Fast forward last year when I went to get quotes on pools as I'd love to build one in our current house. We are looking at a 12m x 6m pool so only marginally smaller than yours.
Interesting the quotes varied depending on who you spoke to, but the cheapest quote was £65k for a liner pool and the most expensive was £120k for a fully tiled pool. This was including a roman end. Cheaper quotes = hopper shape, more expensive = wedge shape. Constant depth didn't seem to make difference to the price.
£20k of that was the safety cover as we have kids and pets so we really need to get one.
There are a load of variations based on types of heater / liner / tiles / pump / number of inlet valves etc etc
Let us know how you get on
£100 a day heating costs! is it really that expensive to heat.flyingjase said:
f
k me, what are you heating it with?
I burn fifty quid notes!k me, what are you heating it with?It's a non-condensing 80 kilowatt boiler. It may not be 100 quid per 24 hours but that's the number I have in my head.
Watching the gas meter numbers whizz round when the boiler's at full chat makes for sobering viewing!
Hereward said:
I burn fifty quid notes!
It's a non-condensing 80 kilowatt boiler. It may not be 100 quid per 24 hours but that's the number I have in my head.
Watching the gas meter numbers whizz round when the boiler's at full chat makes for sobering viewing!
You should look at replacing it with an air source heat pump. It's by far the cheapest way to heat the pool these days and at that burn rate the investment will pay for itself very quickly.It's a non-condensing 80 kilowatt boiler. It may not be 100 quid per 24 hours but that's the number I have in my head.
Watching the gas meter numbers whizz round when the boiler's at full chat makes for sobering viewing!
flyingjase said:
You should look at replacing it with an air source heat pump. It's by far the cheapest way to heat the pool these days and at that burn rate the investment will pay for itself very quickly.
We did this for our indoor pool last year - it's brilliant, brought the pool up to temperature last month in 3 days, and maintains it at 28 degrees. Completely trouble free, kicks in as necessary when the circulating pump puts water flow through it and a bargain compared to the previous system used by the last owner who used to heat the pool using the fuel oil boiler. flyingjase said:
You should look at replacing it with an air source heat pump. It's by far the cheapest way to heat the pool these days and at that burn rate the investment will pay for itself very quickly.
Yes, I will be going down this route next year when I re-do the plant room. Seems like a no-brainer given that I only use the pool when the air temp. is 20C+.flyingjase said:
You should look at replacing it with an air source heat pump. It's by far the cheapest way to heat the pool these days and at that burn rate the investment will pay for itself very quickly.
I find it difficult to believe that any sane person would actually attempt to heat a swimming pool with anything but solar or a heat pump!It takes about 12kW to heat 10,000 litres of water 1 degree C, and each day you need to add the amount of energy it's lost overnight, which won't be that much when a cover is used.
Depending on the size of pool most people could get away with a single phase heat pump, running at 6:1 it would consume 2kW per 12 put into the water. So a 2 degree rise would cost something like 50p. (Is power 12.5p per kWhr?).
Alternatively run a heat pump at night, but it will be less efficient.
The heat pump should cost no more than three thousand (as they cost under a thousand in China).
So no, swimming pools don't have to be expensive to run.
Also don't bother with chlorine for water treatment - either saltwater or ozone is the way to go.
Don't forget there is an additional cost for operating a recirculating pump.
It's surprising how much it costs given it's really just a tiled hole! I was figuring about £50k, but I was hoping for a good spec pool for that.
Thing for us is the house we are in isn't ideal for a pool, we back onto woods which provides a lot of shade. Might be that we'd be better off moving to somewhere that already has one as opposed to putting in a new pool where we are.
Out of interest, how much are the heat source pumps?
Thing for us is the house we are in isn't ideal for a pool, we back onto woods which provides a lot of shade. Might be that we'd be better off moving to somewhere that already has one as opposed to putting in a new pool where we are.
Out of interest, how much are the heat source pumps?
Bandit said:
It's surprising how much it costs given it's really just a tiled hole! I was figuring about £50k, but I was hoping for a good spec pool for that.
Thing for us is the house we are in isn't ideal for a pool, we back onto woods which provides a lot of shade. Might be that we'd be better off moving to somewhere that already has one as opposed to putting in a new pool where we are.
Out of interest, how much are the heat source pumps?
You can a reasonably good spec for that - think welded liner (appparently lasts 20 years) as opposed to thin bag liner (5 year life), but think no electric cover, just the solar bubble cover and you can have your sized pool for £50k.Thing for us is the house we are in isn't ideal for a pool, we back onto woods which provides a lot of shade. Might be that we'd be better off moving to somewhere that already has one as opposed to putting in a new pool where we are.
Out of interest, how much are the heat source pumps?
Air source heat pump costs - depends on the spec and how many months you want to use the pool. Also whether you want Chinese or a decent make. For that size pool I'd guess anywhere from £3-6k
Our combined gas and electric bill last month was approaching £400. I knew it would be bad as we had filled an indoor pool and brought it up to temp. Took about 4/5 days of full chat pump and heat.
Watching this thread with interest, together with this month's bill!
Would also be nice if the sand filter would stop blowing the top seal and flooding the plant room. Still not sure what is going on there...
Watching this thread with interest, together with this month's bill!
Would also be nice if the sand filter would stop blowing the top seal and flooding the plant room. Still not sure what is going on there...
I swim a lot nowadays, (good rehab from my accident) and I would say do at least 4 one mile sessions a week at pool at local gym. So public but not open to all and sundry, never had a problem doing laps, but it can be 5 to a lane occasionally.
Dont lounge about in the gym jacuzzi, (ave one at home) very occasionally use the steam, basically I swim there. It is £50 a month for the priveledge, but that seems like good value when looking at my own pool. I'd love one, I'd use it, (more than most owners do I ssuspect) and it would be great to lounge about in on a summers weekend, but I cannot really justify say 20k on it, then runnign costs that would be proabably nearly 5 times my gym membership is!
I have looked at these swim treadmill things, and they seem good for laps, easy install and can take them with you if you move, but wont have the loungeability of the full home pool.
Dont lounge about in the gym jacuzzi, (ave one at home) very occasionally use the steam, basically I swim there. It is £50 a month for the priveledge, but that seems like good value when looking at my own pool. I'd love one, I'd use it, (more than most owners do I ssuspect) and it would be great to lounge about in on a summers weekend, but I cannot really justify say 20k on it, then runnign costs that would be proabably nearly 5 times my gym membership is!
I have looked at these swim treadmill things, and they seem good for laps, easy install and can take them with you if you move, but wont have the loungeability of the full home pool.
flyingjase said:
Bandit said:
Out of interest, how much are the heat source pumps?
Air source heat pump costs - depends on the spec and how many months you want to use the pool. Also whether you want Chinese or a decent make. For that size pool I'd guess anywhere from £3-6kUnit is designed for all year round use in UK conditions, will still work at -15 Deg C.
So for a smaller pool and smaller sized unit for summer season then it should be a reasonable bit cheaper than that.
JM said:
flyingjase said:
Bandit said:
Out of interest, how much are the heat source pumps?
Air source heat pump costs - depends on the spec and how many months you want to use the pool. Also whether you want Chinese or a decent make. For that size pool I'd guess anywhere from £3-6kUnit is designed for all year round use in UK conditions, will still work at -15 Deg C.
So for a smaller pool and smaller sized unit for summer season then it should be a reasonable bit cheaper than that.
JM said:
I quoted one yesterday, for a 21kw (@ 15 deg C air temp) single phase unit it was £5640.00+ vat and del.
Unit is designed for all year round use in UK conditions, will still work at -15 Deg C.
So for a smaller pool and smaller sized unit for summer season then it should be a reasonable bit cheaper than that.
Do you install pools then?Unit is designed for all year round use in UK conditions, will still work at -15 Deg C.
So for a smaller pool and smaller sized unit for summer season then it should be a reasonable bit cheaper than that.
Hereward said:
What ASHP would suit an outdoor pool of 108m3 water volume, basis an airtemp of 20-30 degC and a required water temp. of 26-30degC? Cheers.
What is the surface area of the pool, guessing at a 1.3M average depth then it's an 84 square Meter surface area, a pretty big pool. If it is covered for 20 hours per day (average) then the same unit as mentioned before but without the all year round ability would be a good match, it would require a large single phase supply though, unless you have three phase electricity available. Cost is £3945.00 (list)
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