Toilet Training
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I'm having an issue with my 8 month old Border Collie puppy.
I can let her outside for an hour, but she'll still poo inside the house. For example, just now i've had her in the garden for about 45 minutes and she had a wee. As soon as we go back inside, and I leave the kitchen, she curls one out on the kitchen floor.
Why isn't she relating going outside with toilet time? I've tried training her in the exact same way that I trained my other (who is now 1) and has been clean since about 3 months old!
I'm getting towards my wits end now with it!
Anybody got any tips?
I can let her outside for an hour, but she'll still poo inside the house. For example, just now i've had her in the garden for about 45 minutes and she had a wee. As soon as we go back inside, and I leave the kitchen, she curls one out on the kitchen floor.
Why isn't she relating going outside with toilet time? I've tried training her in the exact same way that I trained my other (who is now 1) and has been clean since about 3 months old!
I'm getting towards my wits end now with it!
Anybody got any tips?
Had her out every half an hour or so in the garden, and she didn't come back in until she'd done something. Lots of praise given as soon as she'd been to the toilet. Inca had no issues with this, and would come and whimper at you when she needed the toilet.
I've tried doing Maya exactly the same, but it's not working. She does come and whimper at me, but only after the event. E.g, this morning at 0730, rather than doing what Inca does and waking me up she did it in the kitchen and then came and woke me up!
I can have the kitchen door open all day, and she'll still run in and do it!
I've tried doing Maya exactly the same, but it's not working. She does come and whimper at me, but only after the event. E.g, this morning at 0730, rather than doing what Inca does and waking me up she did it in the kitchen and then came and woke me up!
I can have the kitchen door open all day, and she'll still run in and do it!
bexVN said:
Agree. Start from the beginning. She's gotten very confused somewhere along the way.
Make sure she goes out with the other dog and sees her defaecating outside. Also, even though the older dog knows what she's doing, praise her in front of the pts and give a treat.
Thanks Bex Make sure she goes out with the other dog and sees her defaecating outside. Also, even though the older dog knows what she's doing, praise her in front of the pts and give a treat.
She does watch Inca outside, as she tries to clean up after Inca 
*Kosta* said:
bexVN said:
Agree. Start from the beginning. She's gotten very confused somewhere along the way.
Make sure she goes out with the other dog and sees her defaecating outside. Also, even though the older dog knows what she's doing, praise her in front of the pup and give a treat.
Thanks Bex Make sure she goes out with the other dog and sees her defaecating outside. Also, even though the older dog knows what she's doing, praise her in front of the pup and give a treat.
She does watch Inca outside, as she tries to clean up after Inca Does she go to the same area in the house? Just out of interest was she initially trained to go on paper? If so how long for?
bexVN said:
Lovely aren't they. Not saying that this will work but usually pups do learn from their older 'siblings' so you'd think she would get the idea.
Does she go to the same area in the house? Just out of interest was she initially trained to go on paper? If so how long for?
She's never been trained to go on paper. From the day we got her home, it was outside only (using the method explained in a previous post) She was doing it on 2 mats in the kitchen all the time. I binned these, hoping that it was just a sent on them or something, but she still does it albeit now on floor tiles rather than mats Does she go to the same area in the house? Just out of interest was she initially trained to go on paper? If so how long for?
Did she ever get spooked whilst defaecating outside?
I'm trying to see if there is a reason for her behaviour. Collies are quick learners and she has the bonus of an older dog to copy and learn from so I'm wondering if it could be becoming behavioural rather than training issue.
Still think back to basics is the right approach but if this doesn't work may need to look into another reason for it thus a different approach.
I'm trying to see if there is a reason for her behaviour. Collies are quick learners and she has the bonus of an older dog to copy and learn from so I'm wondering if it could be becoming behavioural rather than training issue.
Still think back to basics is the right approach but if this doesn't work may need to look into another reason for it thus a different approach.
bexVN said:
Did she ever get spooked whilst defaecating outside?
I'm trying to see if there is a reason for her behaviour. Collies are quick learners and she has the bonus of an older dog to copy and learn from so I'm wondering if it could be becoming behavioural rather than training issue.
Still think back to basics is the right approach but if this doesn't work may need to look into another reason for it thus a different approach.
She's only ever got spooked by other dogs barking in neighbours' gardens. She hates it, and always runs in if they start. The odd bark doesn't bother her, it's when they are barking constantly it does?I'm trying to see if there is a reason for her behaviour. Collies are quick learners and she has the bonus of an older dog to copy and learn from so I'm wondering if it could be becoming behavioural rather than training issue.
Still think back to basics is the right approach but if this doesn't work may need to look into another reason for it thus a different approach.
*Kosta* said:
bexVN said:
Did she ever get spooked whilst defaecating outside?
I'm trying to see if there is a reason for her behaviour. Collies are quick learners and she has the bonus of an older dog to copy and learn from so I'm wondering if it could be becoming behavioural rather than training issue.
Still think back to basics is the right approach but if this doesn't work may need to look into another reason for it thus a different approach.
She's only ever got spooked by other dogs barking in neighbours' gardens. She hates it, and always runs in if they start. The odd bark doesn't bother her, it's when they are barking constantly it does?I'm trying to see if there is a reason for her behaviour. Collies are quick learners and she has the bonus of an older dog to copy and learn from so I'm wondering if it could be becoming behavioural rather than training issue.
Still think back to basics is the right approach but if this doesn't work may need to look into another reason for it thus a different approach.
bexVN said:
That could be a trigger point (collies very sensitive to developing fears/phobias very quickly). Mrs G may be able to help if she's sees this but I'll also ask my colleague at work (she's a canine behaviourist) and see if she thinks this could be the reason.
Ok thanks Bex She's been fine today. Even woke me up earlier when i'd fallen asleep on the sofa before the event, rather than after the event too
My first dog was a bit like this. At the time my Mrs was off work and genrally rubbish at watching her putting her out if she started to sniff about etc.
One day she went mad at me because the dog kept weeing in the house. After a bit of shouting etc i found out all she was doing was leaving the back door open so the dog could go in the garden.
I asked her to keep the door shut then when the dog started sniffing take her outside to do her stuff give her praise etc when she had done it ( what i asked her to do in the first place ) After a couple of weeks job was sorted.
Ive got a 11 week old puppy to now she seems to have cracked on with toilet training great as she copies my older dog. I only started her the day after boxing day because before that she was ill passing blood. Let her do it in the house so i could see what was coming out.
The other thing that young dogs will do is genrally go to the loo after food, drink or playing so maybe if your dogs playing outside thats why the lil fella needs to go when you stop.
One day she went mad at me because the dog kept weeing in the house. After a bit of shouting etc i found out all she was doing was leaving the back door open so the dog could go in the garden.
I asked her to keep the door shut then when the dog started sniffing take her outside to do her stuff give her praise etc when she had done it ( what i asked her to do in the first place ) After a couple of weeks job was sorted.
Ive got a 11 week old puppy to now she seems to have cracked on with toilet training great as she copies my older dog. I only started her the day after boxing day because before that she was ill passing blood. Let her do it in the house so i could see what was coming out.
The other thing that young dogs will do is genrally go to the loo after food, drink or playing so maybe if your dogs playing outside thats why the lil fella needs to go when you stop.
My first collie was much like this ,till we went to my parents .They had a poodle ? ,possibly a Bijon ,possibly a cross .She had been done ,but still liked something to nurse . Enter her namesake at a young age . Both got on like a house on fire ,but first night mine wet the floor . After that ,mine was the cleanest dog out -suspect that the older dog had "had words" .And oth were the best of pals after that . So much so that one time my parents visited us ,next doors Staffie( my collie's mate) attempted to terrorise the "Poodle" to get taken to task by collie( now fully grown ,and not a dog to be argued with ,by another dog ) -he ran back in in shock .
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