Bunny poorly AGAIN
Discussion
I think it'll be the vets in the morning again...
Treacles tummy was grumbling so loudly (a cooing sort of noise) that I was hanging out of the window looking for a pigeon...
So vet in morning and until then it's bunny tummy massage, a few of his favourite herbs, forcing water into him and a little fibreplex/ infancol (!! Has been suggested as a stop gap for the night)
No idea what is setting this off again.. Poor mite.
Treacles tummy was grumbling so loudly (a cooing sort of noise) that I was hanging out of the window looking for a pigeon...
So vet in morning and until then it's bunny tummy massage, a few of his favourite herbs, forcing water into him and a little fibreplex/ infancol (!! Has been suggested as a stop gap for the night)
No idea what is setting this off again.. Poor mite.
Can any vetty type people suggest anything else we can do tonight? They'll be caged for the night so we can catch easily tomorrow morning. It'll also let us check they are both pooing,
The other bunny is also a bit sluggish because he's been bullying her and she's been so sad and un hungry.
These damn animals. So fragile but terribly cute and loving.
The other bunny is also a bit sluggish because he's been bullying her and she's been so sad and un hungry.
These damn animals. So fragile but terribly cute and loving.
I was hoping in the infancol would have worked as its half price in sainsburys 
We're off to the vet again as no poo. Will ask for medicine as an emergency store.
Second time around isn't as bad as the first it seems
no idea what started it this time but she's been a bit off too- wondering if they found something they shouldn't have.
We're off to the vet again as no poo. Will ask for medicine as an emergency store.
Second time around isn't as bad as the first it seems
no idea what started it this time but she's been a bit off too- wondering if they found something they shouldn't have. If i was you, i would be separating them if they are together.
Over the summer we lost 15 rabbtis to GI stasis caused by......i cant remember, but i can remember what it looks like!!!, either way, that raged through our lot like wild fire, so if its anything similar, then keeping them together is asking for trouble.
The infacol does help, but if the gut has stopped, then its not gonna help that at all, the vet is gonna need to give a stimulant to get the gut going again, and if i remember rightly, this wont be the last time it happens, infact, the last time it happens will be the time it doesnt survive.
Rabbits are incredibly sensitive to things, something is causing the gut to stop, maybe the food, maybe something brought in by a cat, or fox, maybe something on the grass that the cat or fox has peed on, believe me, we looked at nearly every possibility going.
Please, if you have other rabbity people round, tell them before, these things are sooooo infectious its crazy, best be safe that them being sorry!!!
I will remember the name of the bug, but in the meantime, when you go to the vet, get them to do a faecal float test, that will show the parasites up, and they can identify them.
Coccidia!!! i knew i would remember sooner or later!! its a naturally occurring bug in the gut, but when the bunny is down then it can take over and cause issues!
Does the bunny grind its teeth alot? that could be a sign that its in pain.
Might be worth speaking to the vet about some metacam if thats the case.
To give you an idea, I did the PM on one of out bunnies that died, and the gut, including the stomach and about an inch of its intestine was packed with food that hadnt been digested, and had just impacted.
I also think that a good idea would be to remove any hard food pellets that you give them, make sure that they drink plenty, and if they do want to eat, give them hay or ready grass (sp).
If they are not drinking, then you can supplement their hydration with Pineapple Juice, you can also get Critical care formula which is basically everything they need in a liquid, i mixed that with vitamin drops, and pineapple juice with good results.
A good indicator that Coccidia is a possibility is the clear Jelly like diarrhea, its pretty grim, doesnt smell, and pours out like nothing you have seen, if thats the case, bottle some up and get the vet to have a gander at it under a scope, check for parasites.
Sorry i waffled, am tired and theres loads of info trying to get out!!!
Over the summer we lost 15 rabbtis to GI stasis caused by......i cant remember, but i can remember what it looks like!!!, either way, that raged through our lot like wild fire, so if its anything similar, then keeping them together is asking for trouble.
The infacol does help, but if the gut has stopped, then its not gonna help that at all, the vet is gonna need to give a stimulant to get the gut going again, and if i remember rightly, this wont be the last time it happens, infact, the last time it happens will be the time it doesnt survive.
Rabbits are incredibly sensitive to things, something is causing the gut to stop, maybe the food, maybe something brought in by a cat, or fox, maybe something on the grass that the cat or fox has peed on, believe me, we looked at nearly every possibility going.
Please, if you have other rabbity people round, tell them before, these things are sooooo infectious its crazy, best be safe that them being sorry!!!
I will remember the name of the bug, but in the meantime, when you go to the vet, get them to do a faecal float test, that will show the parasites up, and they can identify them.
Coccidia!!! i knew i would remember sooner or later!! its a naturally occurring bug in the gut, but when the bunny is down then it can take over and cause issues!
Does the bunny grind its teeth alot? that could be a sign that its in pain.
Might be worth speaking to the vet about some metacam if thats the case.
To give you an idea, I did the PM on one of out bunnies that died, and the gut, including the stomach and about an inch of its intestine was packed with food that hadnt been digested, and had just impacted.
I also think that a good idea would be to remove any hard food pellets that you give them, make sure that they drink plenty, and if they do want to eat, give them hay or ready grass (sp).
If they are not drinking, then you can supplement their hydration with Pineapple Juice, you can also get Critical care formula which is basically everything they need in a liquid, i mixed that with vitamin drops, and pineapple juice with good results.
A good indicator that Coccidia is a possibility is the clear Jelly like diarrhea, its pretty grim, doesnt smell, and pours out like nothing you have seen, if thats the case, bottle some up and get the vet to have a gander at it under a scope, check for parasites.
Sorry i waffled, am tired and theres loads of info trying to get out!!!
mucoid enteritis is what it actually is, the coccidia can cause it. If you have them together, and one has mucoid enteritis, then its quite possible that it will get passed on. Just because the bunny has GI stasis, doesnt mean that the mucous wont pour out the backend, when i opened the one up here, the entire lower gut was full of it.
I wish you all the best tomorrow.
I wish you all the best tomorrow.
I'm sure you mean well and testing for coccidia can't hurt (and a sensible suggestion) but you have scared me and I don't even own a bunny!
Treacle was px Metacam last time so prob will again.
Oh and yuck on performing your own pm unless you are veterinary qualified! (or maybe a farmer I suppose)
Treacle was px Metacam last time so prob will again.
Oh and yuck on performing your own pm unless you are veterinary qualified! (or maybe a farmer I suppose)
Thanks tits but it appears he has tooth ache!
He's only chewing on one side and his right hand back tooth is hitting the top of his mouth.
Both bunnies back in the vets and he's having a dental tomorrow.
Coco has perked up too- now he's not in pain he's stopped bullying her.
Whatever you had sounds awful!! Am quite glad ours are indoor bunnies - although it wouldn't stop all bad things, it does reduce the incidence of VHD etc.
He's only chewing on one side and his right hand back tooth is hitting the top of his mouth.
Both bunnies back in the vets and he's having a dental tomorrow.
Coco has perked up too- now he's not in pain he's stopped bullying her.
Whatever you had sounds awful!! Am quite glad ours are indoor bunnies - although it wouldn't stop all bad things, it does reduce the incidence of VHD etc.
They said they also gave him morphine last time apparently! Whatever it was he was off his face and away with the fairies. I swear he would have been giggling like a girl if he was able to.
Vet said coco was looking after her hutchie and grooming and snuggling him. He's bright but not eating/ producing so will see in the morning. It might be his teeth stopping the eating rather than the stasis (lesser of the two evils I suppose) or vice versa... So as soon as he's pooping or eating they'll assess the tooth.
Vet said coco was looking after her hutchie and grooming and snuggling him. He's bright but not eating/ producing so will see in the morning. It might be his teeth stopping the eating rather than the stasis (lesser of the two evils I suppose) or vice versa... So as soon as he's pooping or eating they'll assess the tooth.
Sorry if i over dramatised things, i was shattered and everything was just there waiting to come out so to speak!
Gi stasis has many causes, it could well be the teeth, but no matter what causes it, GI stasis is really dangerous.
If its his teeth causing the problem, then at least you know and can deal with his teeth on a regular basis so its not a factor again.
Gi stasis has many causes, it could well be the teeth, but no matter what causes it, GI stasis is really dangerous.
If its his teeth causing the problem, then at least you know and can deal with his teeth on a regular basis so its not a factor again.
It's better to get the point across though and you are right stasis is very serious and finding the cause if poss is vital. I'm glad you found an answer losing that many bunnies must have been devastating. I'm guessing you're either a breeder or just love rabbits a lot 
LGF hope Treacle and Coco are ok today
LGF hope Treacle and Coco are ok today
Treacs is having his toothypeg seen to and perhaps removed. We have poo!! Great news!!
Coco will no doubt have a nurse at her beck and call when Treacs is taken down. Have never known an animal with such separation anxiety!! She's eating a lot better now that he's stopped biting her.
I've decided to bring out a line of rabbt themed gifts and the proceeds go straight to their piggy bank (after tax naturally) and they'll have to be in a calendar to pay for treacles care. We're nearly at a grand in total now. He better have a long life...
Coco will no doubt have a nurse at her beck and call when Treacs is taken down. Have never known an animal with such separation anxiety!! She's eating a lot better now that he's stopped biting her.
I've decided to bring out a line of rabbt themed gifts and the proceeds go straight to their piggy bank (after tax naturally) and they'll have to be in a calendar to pay for treacles care. We're nearly at a grand in total now. He better have a long life...
We never did find the cause of those problems, my partner works at the vet lab that does most of the south, so we do our own samples for testing, she supplies sterile blades and pots and tubes etc, i do the hacking and bashing.
We can do it, so there isnt much point getting out vet to do it!! Our vet is really good, and has helped us out hugely with the bunnies, bu with me being out of a job, we needed to get it done and avoid as much cost as possible.
Out of the two vets there, we fell out with one after he was rude on the phone to Kate, telling that she didnt know what she was talking about and that he was absolutely positive it was VHD, and she should just listen to him, this is AFTER 2 samples being negative for VHD. We know there was coccidiosis, but there was no damage to liver, lungs, heart or even the gut, so as to what caused it, we dont know, but there was a few weeks where everyone was being jabbed with sulpha?? sulphate?? based antibiotics, and having oral wormer, we were doing about 20 rabbits, i still have scars on my arms from being kicked!!!!
To finish off last year, about 3 months later we had Myxi!! Lost 9 rabbits to that, ended up having the rest vaccinated, luckily that stopped it going any further. We tested for myxi but 2 blood tests showed up negative, but the symptoms were pretty conclusive.
We are a bit of both really, we both love the bunnies, and we do also breed them, well more Kate than me, i do the snakes!!! And before its asked, no the rabbits dont feed the snakes!!!
We can do it, so there isnt much point getting out vet to do it!! Our vet is really good, and has helped us out hugely with the bunnies, bu with me being out of a job, we needed to get it done and avoid as much cost as possible.
Out of the two vets there, we fell out with one after he was rude on the phone to Kate, telling that she didnt know what she was talking about and that he was absolutely positive it was VHD, and she should just listen to him, this is AFTER 2 samples being negative for VHD. We know there was coccidiosis, but there was no damage to liver, lungs, heart or even the gut, so as to what caused it, we dont know, but there was a few weeks where everyone was being jabbed with sulpha?? sulphate?? based antibiotics, and having oral wormer, we were doing about 20 rabbits, i still have scars on my arms from being kicked!!!!
To finish off last year, about 3 months later we had Myxi!! Lost 9 rabbits to that, ended up having the rest vaccinated, luckily that stopped it going any further. We tested for myxi but 2 blood tests showed up negative, but the symptoms were pretty conclusive.
We are a bit of both really, we both love the bunnies, and we do also breed them, well more Kate than me, i do the snakes!!! And before its asked, no the rabbits dont feed the snakes!!!
We have one very relieved bunny home, and one slightly dejected bunny. He's eating little bits and has had some critical care to fill him up tonight.
Tummy making some special noises still! Vet is happy with that and hopes for much poo soon. He's not really eaten for a couple of days so no wonder it's taking a while for it to come through. What he did deposit smelled really chemically (and v notivable- I didn't sniff it!!!) so knew it was him.
For all non bunny owners, poo is the key to a rabbit. You can tell loads about the health of a rabbit from what goes in and then comes out.
Tummy making some special noises still! Vet is happy with that and hopes for much poo soon. He's not really eaten for a couple of days so no wonder it's taking a while for it to come through. What he did deposit smelled really chemically (and v notivable- I didn't sniff it!!!) so knew it was him.
For all non bunny owners, poo is the key to a rabbit. You can tell loads about the health of a rabbit from what goes in and then comes out.
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