The value of life
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RudeDog

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1,667 posts

197 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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What makes an animals life have value? To explain my thoughts around this question...
  • The majority of people have no problem swotting flies or putting down ant powder to kill off insects. Insects lives are therefore worthless
  • Some people use mouse traps to kill vermin (mice, rats etc). Their lives must be worthless too
  • Farmers will trap foxes
  • We kill and eat all manner of animals
I am genuinely interested in the answer to this question but I do have an additional motive for gaining understanding about this too.

Can I kill a cat that keeps coming in to my house and scenting the kitchen and dining room?

Jasandjules

71,955 posts

252 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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RudeDog said:
Can I kill a cat that keeps coming in to my house and scenting the kitchen and dining room?
What sort of person are you to want to?

Marf

22,907 posts

264 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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Well, this is a car crash waiting to happen eh?

KrazyIvan

4,341 posts

198 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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RudeDog said:
Can I kill a cat that keeps coming in to my house and scenting the kitchen and dining room?
Has this cat got opposable thumbs? No, then stop letting the fecking thing in, its not really rocket science now is it!

RudeDog

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197 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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The cat can work a cat flap (I have a cat that does not scent the house).

So let me get this straight, its OK to kill a mouse, rat or fox but judging by the responses so far, killing a cat is unacceptable. Why is that?

Marf

22,907 posts

264 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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RudeDog said:
The cat can work a cat flap (I have a cat that does not scent the house).
You're a human, you're more intelligent than a cat(I think, despite you playing dumb) so I'm sure you can come up with a non violent solution.

Get a PetPorte and stop fantasizing about felicide.

Jasandjules

71,955 posts

252 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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RudeDog said:
The cat can work a cat flap (I have a cat that does not scent the house).

So let me get this straight, its OK to kill a mouse, rat or fox but judging by the responses so far, killing a cat is unacceptable. Why is that?
The law says you may not do so.

You can of course go to jail if you prefer. And be sued by the owner of the cat.

RudeDog

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197 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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LOL - OK, I'm joking about killing the cat but I am genuinely interested in the first question I asked... What gives an animals life value?

Marf

22,907 posts

264 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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RudeDog said:
LOL - OK, I'm joking about killing the cat but I am genuinely interested in the first question I asked... What gives an animals life value?
LOL

Humans give an animal's life value.

Now, go buy yourself a microchip cat flap so you don't have to keep cleaning up cat piss. smile

RudeDog

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Thursday 10th May 2012
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Jasandjules said:
The law says you may not do so.

You can of course go to jail if you prefer. And be sued by the owner of the cat.
Does the law apply to only cats that have owners (i.e. pets) or all cats (including ferrel ones)

Marf said:
Now, go buy yourself a microchip cat flap so you don't have to keep cleaning up cat piss. smile
I'm changing the catflap for a microchip style one at the weekend. Does anybody have any good advice on how to a) locate the scent and b) Neutralise it once its been located?

Marf

22,907 posts

264 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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RudeDog said:
Marf said:
Now, go buy yourself a microchip cat flap so you don't have to keep cleaning up cat piss. smile
I'm changing the catflap for a microchip style one at the weekend. Does anybody have any good advice on how to a) locate the scent and b) Neutralise it once its been located?
a) your nose - it'll likely be marking anywhere your cat frequents. When I had this problem the tom was marking the spot where my male cat would sleep.
b) disinfectant and febreeze

RudeDog

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197 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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Marf said:
a) your nose
b) disinfectant and febreeze
Neither of those suggestions have worked for me so far.

I've tried using vinegar (was a Yahoo answers suggestion) but that doesn't work that well and the place also stinks of vinegar afterwards too.


Marf

22,907 posts

264 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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I'd suggest then that if you're still smelling cat pee after cleaning it up then there are other areas that have been marked.

Mobile Chicane

21,800 posts

235 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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Check any areas where you see your cat rubbing his / her cheeks. They may be trying to cover up the alien scent with their own.

Caractacus

2,621 posts

248 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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IMHO, we humans perceive the value of life in many ways, especially when it comes to all creatures great and small.

The smaller the animal, the less value is placed upon it. Especially if we believe the critter to be a pest.

I'd happliy get rid of a spider, a fly, and wasp, etc. However I'd not do the same to a hedgehog, badger, fox, etc.

However I'd happily kill a sheep, as that puts food on the table smile

bexVN

14,690 posts

234 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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Get to Pets at Home or similar and by a product specifically for the purpose.

You need to break the odour down enzymatically not just mask it as a disinfectant will.

Simpo Two

91,232 posts

288 months

Thursday 10th May 2012
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Caractacus said:
IMHO, we humans perceive the value of life in many ways, especially when it comes to all creatures great and small.

The smaller the animal, the less value is placed upon it. Especially if we believe the critter to be a pest.

I'd happliy get rid of a spider, a fly, and wasp, etc. However I'd not do the same to a hedgehog, badger, fox, etc.

However I'd happily kill a sheep, as that puts food on the table smile
We need some sort of equation...

Variables:

Size (1-10)
Recognised food source (1-10)
Furriness (1-10)

Examples:

Fly = 1 x 1 x 1 = 3
Cat = 3 x 1 x 10 = 30
Dog = 4 x 1 x 8 = 32
Cow = 10 x 10 x 2 = 200
Sheep = 6 x 10 x 7 = 420


From this I declare:

Score 3 - 19: May be killed without compunction
Score 20 - 100: May not be killed under any circumstances
Score 101+: It can be killed and eaten, but only if someone else kills it

OracIe

149 posts

166 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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Except if you live in China....

TwigtheWonderkid

47,925 posts

173 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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Rabbits can be pets.
But you get rabbit flavour cat food, so why not cat flavour dog food?

Personally I don't kill flies, wasps, spiders etc. I try to catch them unharmed and release them outside the house.

I take the view that all living things have one thing in common, and that is they come from an unbroken line of winners, strretching back hundreds of millions of years. Every creature on the planet has an unbroken line of ancestors that all lived long enough to find a mate a reproduce. All the way back to the single cell organisms we all came from. If I swat a fly, it might not have bred yet, so I'm ending that long line.

A bit crazy I know.

RudeDog

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1,667 posts

197 months

Friday 11th May 2012
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I particularly like the equation idea. This is the most rational answer I've heard to this question so far.

The idea about stopping the line of ancestry is a thought provoking one too.

Neither of them really help me justify the felicide though. wink